5G mast directly outside house

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Today I have been made aware about the proposal of a 5g mast that would size 2.5m away from my children’s bedrooms.

I’ve objected on the website and neighbours are doing the same.

We haven’t been informed on the proposal until someone campaigning about them knocked on my door this afternoon.

The plans they used are outdated. The property has been extended so sits closer to the mast than in their plans and I believe the address they used is not accurate. We also have expressed health concerns and it not being in keeping with a residential area.

is there anything else we can do?

Yes I think your best bet is to try and argue from a highway safety perspective.

If it is on a normal width pavement will buggies wheelchairs etc actually be able to get past it? Bearing in mind it will need to be positioned far enough out from your boundary so as to not interfere with the boundary during installation.

The pavement is quite wide on the plan but we are next to a church, dentist and and a row of shops so parking is a nightmare. We are going to measure how far out the equipment will go and mark it out on the pavement.

There are double yellow lines where they are proposing the equipment. This was done after residents campaigned (before we move there) so hopefully this will support us.

You need more of these 5G masts in the high band because the ability of 5G to penetrate walls etc is much reduced.

That one in the picture high up to get less interrupted line of sight. 5G has a few different frequencies, but even at the lowest one (about 1GHz) you should be able to shield the radiation with thin aluminum plate or tin foil - it would shield to a few skin depths (of the order of um for these sorts of frequencies and aluminum).

They may have implemented high band if it is a high traffic urban area.

Oh dear.
OP if you want planning to take you seriously and not have someone who has fallen for bollocks I very strongly advise you not to go down any sort of healthline unless you can find proper scientific evidence.

The council/local planning office would have released a consultation about the tower? We had a 5G tower that applied for planning permission on our street and all the neighbours got together through FB/leaflets and protested against it. The tower was then disapproved. I don’t know the legalities of it, but maybe worthwhile checking with the local officers responsible for planning permission and of course, vote en masse against the planning application.

I think I would be more concerned about any potential devaluation on my property having it so close.

No consulation released like they have with other propsals. Have emailed planning asking why this isn't available. There are also no detailed drawings available either so have also questioned this.

My mum and dad are having real problems with proposals for a 5g mast that is going to be 6 inches away from their bedroom and living room. The ones in the area we've looked at make a horrible noise 24 hours a day. It's making my mum ill trying to contest it. Their complaints went to the ombudsman, who said the council followed the rules so nothing can be done. There must be something. Did you find anything out?

Is it an application for full planning permission or is it a prior notification application? If it is the latter, the local authority only have limited powers anyway.

The areas you may be able to object:
Visual impact
Obstruction of the pavement
Noise from the associated machinery

But I wouldn't hold out much hope.

And if you use a mobile phone, you are being a bit unreasonable anyway. It's ok for you to use the technology as long as the necessary equipment is next to someone else's house?

Damn - old thread - many of these applications only have 6 weeks to be determined so probably all over and done with now!!

They don't want it next to anyone's house. I'm not talking about at the then of the garden. I'm taking about the bottom box units touching the brick that are their living room wall and their bedroom is above. There are loads in the area, it doesn't bother them. They absolutely are bit NIMBYs.

It's an end terrace, so it's on a pavement and butted up against their property to make way for pedestrians.

When you're in that house you can hear people walking past, so the noise from the unit will be very disturbing.

There are no other masts in the country that are butting up against an actual residential building. Seems like no one is bothered. They won't even be able to sell their house. It's sad, they're very depressed about it.

The ‘health’ objection matters a lot though. If there are no proven negative effects on health then any objection on those grounds is going to fail.
Equally, objecting on the grounds that it’s an eyesore is weak, but it might be worth a go.
The best grounds is access, and whether it will encroach on the pavement.

A local group successfully campaigned against a mast near us. It was a mistake, as reception around here is virtually non-existent. Be careful what you wish for.

Zombie thread, but…

Don’t object. A 5G signal - which is harmless - right outside providing top notch service. What could be better? In a few years everyone will want a mast nearby (apart from a few cranks) because so much will travel via the 5G network.

YIMBYism will become the norm for 5G and your house will go up in value.

6 inches? Surely if it's going to be attached to their house (the only way it could be that close) they can just say no?

Yeah, there's no health concern and anyone objecting on those ground sis destined to fail. It's no different from having microwave in the kitcen below you bedroom or in the house next door. People thinking non ionising radiation can give you cancer need to go back to school and pay better attention in Biology and Physics.

However, I do think it's out of order from an aesthetics and possibly noise point of view putting them RIGHT next to people's houses! Surely there are areas of common land or next to shops or libraries etc where they could go instead? The one recently put in in my town (very welcome, as 4G signal was terrible and 5G non existant) is next to the bus stop, in front of the library, no residential places anywhere nearby.

Wandsworth borough have recently refused a few applications for these towers.
I'm not up to date with the detail but I think there was a planning change to allow Telco's to submit as permitted development unless the council object.

Here is an example and the documents have the determination why rejected:
https://planning.wandsworth.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/Generic/StdDetails.aspx?PT=Planning%20Applications%20On-Line&TYPE=PL/PlanningPK.xml&PARAM0=1047470&XSLT=/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/SiteFiles/Skins/Wandsworth/xslt/PL/PLDetails.xslt&FT=Planning%20Application%20Details&PUBLIC=Y&XMLSIDE=/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/SiteFiles/Skins/Wandsworth/Menus/PL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING

I would say something that's not obvious from the drawings is the noise, the cabinet at the bottom has lots of equipment and the fans are going full blast to keep the heat off.
So if you have a window or patio nearby you would hear that constant fan noise especially in warm weather.
The actual mast itself is so high up you won't notice the top part.

Exactly. They've tried to say they won't be able to maintain their property and they don't care. They say they'd followed the rules. It on a public pavement. Doesn't matter that there is no barrier between the pavement and the property. It's so stressful.

This was meant to say *not NIMBYs 🤦🏼‍♀️

The threads been busy!

It was refused a few weeks ago after 34 or so objects and a petition from another resident.

Hi we had the same problem and residents have disputed and appealed the decision we had no correspondence then works were already beginning to place place, residents are working together to stop any further works and ensure this does not happen, have you taken your case any further? who did you contact do you have any updates?

thanks

Just to tell you of our experience with plans to erect a tall 5G Mast outside our house directly in line with my bedroom window. Various attempts by developers have been met with objections from 80 residents and neighbours and each time the City Council have refused Planning permission.There is already another mast a little way further down at the bottom of the road and other sites with open land in the area more suitable. We do need the Technology.I'm not disputing that. 3 years of stress and uncertainty for us all. So the developers took our Council to the Planning Inspectorate who have passed it. Absolutely nothing we can do now. So just be aware, objections and refusals even from your Council Planning Dept may not be enough to stop these Masts from springing up very close to houses in residential areas. Good luck to everyone being forced to have these Masts in unsuitable residential areas.

There is one on a street near us and its massive and so ugly! Right outside someone's garden!

Hi, since it was refused we haven’t heard anymore.

The report highlighted it is on our boundary and was was worded very strongly about it not be appropriate etc. so hoping that is the end to it .