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Buyer is likely to ask for a discount shortly before exchange date

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Upset12345 · 11/08/2023 12:31

Hi,

We're selling our property in Birmingham at the moment and we're buying another house in Birmingham.

The owners of the house we want to purchase want a completion date of August 25th.

We agreed to do that, but our buyer is causing us massive problems.

He's already buying the propery 16k under asking price.

Initially he offered 15k under asking price, he's a cash buyer.

But after the home buyers service we agreed to a further 1k discount (although there was nothing wrong with our house).
It was just to get the sale over the finishing line.

He now says he is only willing to exchange contracts on the 21st of August.

When the estate agent asked if he could exchange a few days earlier because people have to book removal vans, he said "I don't care, I will exchange on August 21st".

On top of that he booked another viewing tomorrow at our house for a "3rd review".

He's already seen the house twice before.

He's also mentioned to our estate agent about house prices further dropping on the phone and he has sent links and articles to our estate agent describing how house prices are dropping.

Our estate agent pointed out to him that the articles are talking about the national average and can't be applied to Birmingham. They also said he's already buying the house very cheap at a good price.

What would you do in our situation?

He's in a very strong position, he's a cash buyer and doesn't intend to move into the property himself.

We on other hand have small children and I know that the other family, that's selling the house to us, also have young children.

In December our mortgage deal runs out and we would have to reapply at a higher rate :(

I'm feeling really exhausted and I've been crying a lot since we got the news yesterday.

On top of that I'm pregnant as well, so everything is a bit harder for me at the moment.

I have a bad conscience that the other family might not be able to move because of our buyer.

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stomachcramps · 25/08/2023 03:34

How did it go?

Sengah · 25/08/2023 07:26

CoffeeWithCheese · 14/08/2023 16:13

OP - this is possibly going to sound a bit racist and it's not intended as such and will hopefully make sense soon - is it a Hong Kong based buyer? We've had a run of them in our local area and they've behaved incredibly similarly - including the one who bought our house.

If the EA didn't show up for the third viewing - that's the EA's problem - bounce it back to them. I'd also strongly urge you to make sure the third viewings are done by the EA to eliminate any attempts to piss take. Our buyer sent their representative around for a final viewing just before exchange and they were here fucking hours doing the full on Homes under the Hammer theatrically opening every cupboard and drawer routine (like no, my knicker drawer is clearly coming WITH me when we move) - EA was really pissed off when they heard as normally it's a quick in and out - or getting the last few measurements, and we'd even provided them with historical floor plans from when WE bought the property (as the measurements were better than the ones on the listing ones).

They came back huffing and puffing about one thing - wanting something done that we were never going to get the trades booked to do 2 days before exchange (they'd previously tried to huff and puff about something similar that they'd gone through the survey they'd had months and months the week before that - and we'd called their bluff and just had that work done because thankfully we have a builder who lived next door). They were clearly angling for a couple of grand off - but we got prices, sent the quotes back with the phrasing that we would agree to discount that figure, nothing more and that we were not entertaining any talk of how the market had changed since then - if that was the case they were perfectly entitled to cut their losses and go looking again, but that this was the final concession we were willing to make and that we would be prepared to lose our onward purchase if required because they were behaving ridiculously. (At this point the Estate Agent who was just trying to close the sale and encouraging us to placate this pair of plonkers was about fit to faint in terror) No more visits were to be allowed - if they hadn't measured up enough by that point, considering DH had loaned them his tape measure since they were trying to use one of the paper ones from Ikea - tough shit.

They exchanged. Cost us about £150 discount as it was a slightly blown tiny double glazing unit they were niggling about at that point and clearly thought it was worth an extra couple of grand off the price.

They were also utter fucking pains in the arse over transferring the cash over by the way - it was held overseas and they were trying to do so much a day to avoid the worst charges - but they didn't bother to actually start to transferring it over - at this point our solicitor mildly lost their shit with them and suddenly they managed to find a solution. Then they were late as fuck transferring funds on completion day - hadn't even started this until, again, solicitor shit was lost on them by about 2pm when they'd done fuck all (no chain).

They almost broke me and I'd never be happy at the sight of a cash buyer again - give me a family mortgaging themselves up to the eyeballs who aren't going to prat around because they need to get the sale through so their kids have somewhere to stay that night!

Incidentally - this was earlier this year and our house has gone UP in value from what we paid with it - so all this plummeting house prices is NOT the picture everywhere.

Only "a bit" racist? Well that's ok then! Yup! It's totally because they're from Hong Kong. There's a right run of them over here. Stealing our jobs, wanting to view a third time before exchanging. Ugh! Put them on the barge prison! Bloody migrants.

Sengah · 25/08/2023 07:28

Upset I hope it went/is going smoothly. We viewed a third time before exchange to get a sense of costing and damage as we wanted to be prepared on moving in. I don't think it is suspicious. If anything, the U.K. is mad in that it is viewed as suspicious to want to see something you are spending so much money on!

DrySherry · 25/08/2023 07:54

Sengah · 25/08/2023 07:26

Only "a bit" racist? Well that's ok then! Yup! It's totally because they're from Hong Kong. There's a right run of them over here. Stealing our jobs, wanting to view a third time before exchanging. Ugh! Put them on the barge prison! Bloody migrants.

Crikey, the HK immigrants arriving in our area have been lovely. Super well educated, very wealthy and full of drive to build businesses and extreemly polite. They put a lot of our locals to shame imo. I'm more than happy to see them arrive and lift the bar.

CoffeeWithCheese · 25/08/2023 08:47

DrySherry · 25/08/2023 07:54

Crikey, the HK immigrants arriving in our area have been lovely. Super well educated, very wealthy and full of drive to build businesses and extreemly polite. They put a lot of our locals to shame imo. I'm more than happy to see them arrive and lift the bar.

As I stated, it's a pattern that's been noted locally with behaviour like offering on multiple houses and then dropping off ones that won't agree to last minute reductions etc. My view is that there's one local person who is "advising" buyers looking to move into the UK (and who I suspect also just enjoys a damned good nosey around houses as well - hence the endless third viewing which was carried out by them and not the buyers themselves) and is encouraging it to happen - but it's happened more times than would be coincidence in our local area.

The other stuff - I shrugged lots of that off as not quite being clued in to how purchases run in the UK and the inevitable issues trying to communicate across timezones - but there is a definite mentality in our local area about how to handle the pre-purchasing back-and-forth stuff. Like I say - I do wonder if it's a bad-apple agent egging it all on.

I wouldn't be as happy again at the idea of a cash buyer - it rapidly became a nightmare situation for us.

No issue at all with the HK community - apparently the couple who actually bought our old house are lovely - which I'm glad for because I did like our old street and neighbours a lot. However I was warned by people when I mentioned we had the house offer that this was the situation that seemed to be happening and it did pan out like that for our sale.

Cluborange666 · 25/08/2023 10:44

I like Hong Kong people. We’ve had a big influx of them into our area and they seem like decent folks. I will say, however, it has had an impact on house sales as my friend could not for the life of him buy a house (and he was in desperate need) as every house was being bought with cash by HK people. I also notice that our already overwhelmed GPs, complete lack of any type of dentist, and overflowing schools have not been addressed. I have total sympathy with HK folks, and if I was them I’d be doing exactly the same thing, but the consequences for local communities should have been addressed better to avoid resentment.
Oh, and our house prices just keep on rising here. And no, I don’t think it’s a good thing.

Upset12345 · 26/08/2023 10:11

Just a short update, we've exchanged on the 24th and completed and moved yesterday.

No more discounts were given and the buyer accepted that.

It was still super stressful, especially because the buyer insisted on exchange as late as possible.

The new house looks like a tip and a rubbish dump, but we're already quite happy here.

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Upset12345 · 26/08/2023 10:13

Not sure about people from Hong Kong and whether we have them in Birmingham, but we're always happy to live in a diverse area and deliberately moved to a part of the city which is mixed.

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Twiglets1 · 26/08/2023 10:50

Upset12345 · 26/08/2023 10:11

Just a short update, we've exchanged on the 24th and completed and moved yesterday.

No more discounts were given and the buyer accepted that.

It was still super stressful, especially because the buyer insisted on exchange as late as possible.

The new house looks like a tip and a rubbish dump, but we're already quite happy here.

Congratulations!

easilydistracted1 · 26/08/2023 11:15

We had the same thing pretty much. We insisted on two weeks between exchange and completion which led to the completion being delayed. However we still didn't get two weeks we got one and a half and had to move on an extremely inconvenient date. They actually did a valuation which was more like a survey last minute and used a dodgy surveyor who made a lot of stuff up. We made sure to have everything in place on the visit day, making it clear we were ready to remarket. We told them before the survey there would be no more negotiation. They asked for £2000 off. We said no, no further discussions. It was actually a house being bought by the daughter of a big landlord. We liked her and the mum nearly ruined the entire thing. It went ahead and we paid a firm to do a full pack and move. We were prepared not to move as the relocation was being funded by my work and the reduction meant we'd almost lose as much as we gained. It was a nightmare right up to exchange as then the buyers up the line got cold feet.

stomachcramps · 01/09/2023 15:05

Oh that's wonderful! Really pleased for you. Good luck in your new home.

whyisitallsohard · 10/09/2023 12:56

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I bet you didn't bother to RTFT, but my buyer has gone ahead with the purchase at the originally agreed price :)

We have moved and are in the new house now.

So jog along

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Hadalifeonce · 10/09/2023 16:16

I have a couple of friends with their house sales, were being very open with sorting little jobs out, a small reduction in price; generally the buyers being a pain. Eventually when the requests came in to reduce the price further or they would have to pull out of the sale, the answer was a firm OK we will instruct the EA to remarket our house, On both occasions, the purchasers proceeded with the purchases, they were just trying it on to see how far they could push.

whyisitallsohard · 10/09/2023 16:45

@CoffeeWithCheese what are you even ranting about. this is a new market and new generation and new demographic looking for property in 2023 and onwards, people can view a house as often as they want and not your oldie ways of max two viewings for 15 mins each with an agent breathing down your neck. making a huge offer into the hundreds of £thousands is madness.. no one should be making an offer on property without checking what they're buying properly. this is a new age and era, get with it or lose out

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