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Have any of you lived in unconventional accommodation: off grid, self sustaining, on the road, etc?

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KievLoverTwo · 03/08/2023 23:33

I’ve found myself quite enchanted in the last few months watching dozens upon dozens of episodes of Ben Fogle’s New Lives In The Wild and it’s really resonating with me.

I have always hated capitalism with a passion, so I am curious to hear experiences.

i don’t think life is always about four walls, bricks and mortar and mortgages.

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KievLoverTwo · 03/08/2023 23:35

Probably should have mentioned: no kids, that will not happen.

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mondaytosunday · 03/08/2023 23:36

A friend lives on a boat - not a houseboat, but a proper sea going one. She and her husband have raised two boys in it. It's small, I don't know how they did it - small galley and about a 10ft Sq living area. But they did! They couldn't afford to buy an actual house.

TheBeesKnee · 03/08/2023 23:42

I grew up on a very small smallholding. My grandparents and parents grew food and kept animals for milk and meat out of necessity, not a disregard for capitalism. The work and stress took its toll, you literally do not get a day off. However, everyone seems to be living to a sprity old age and I think that's down to the daily exercise well into old age - there's always something to plant, weed, muck out etc.

It was fun when I was a child and I grow some fruit and vegetables in my garden but nowhere near enough to be self-sufficient.

I remember digging around for potatoes and only getting a meager little spuds for dinner, trying to stretch the jars of preserved vegetables etc.

Sitting in the dark with candles was also fun but was awful for my grandmother's eyesight who would be sewing stuff all evening.

In contrast to that I feel very fortunate to have clean running water without having to faff with a well and to be paid to send emails all day 🤷‍♀️ I don't stress about food because I can buy it. I bake bread for pleasure when I want to, not because I must.

KievLoverTwo · 03/08/2023 23:53

TheBeesKnee · 03/08/2023 23:42

I grew up on a very small smallholding. My grandparents and parents grew food and kept animals for milk and meat out of necessity, not a disregard for capitalism. The work and stress took its toll, you literally do not get a day off. However, everyone seems to be living to a sprity old age and I think that's down to the daily exercise well into old age - there's always something to plant, weed, muck out etc.

It was fun when I was a child and I grow some fruit and vegetables in my garden but nowhere near enough to be self-sufficient.

I remember digging around for potatoes and only getting a meager little spuds for dinner, trying to stretch the jars of preserved vegetables etc.

Sitting in the dark with candles was also fun but was awful for my grandmother's eyesight who would be sewing stuff all evening.

In contrast to that I feel very fortunate to have clean running water without having to faff with a well and to be paid to send emails all day 🤷‍♀️ I don't stress about food because I can buy it. I bake bread for pleasure when I want to, not because I must.

Are the conditions they endured any worse than having to drive, train or Zoom to a job any worse than the circumstances surrounding your own lifestyle?

I think it’s easy for older folk to idealise ‘well in my day we had the yellow pages and no internet and folk talked to one another’, but that’s also the thing, they talked to one another.

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Swansandcustard · 03/08/2023 23:54

Mum, dad me, brother, dog and cat lived in a tent for 8 weeks in the summer of ‘76 (place in Devon called Jack’s Patch for any in the know - it didn’t used to be the monstrosity garden centre complex it is now, just a few fields with one toilet (and bath? Can’t remember bathing!) and Jack was a proper Devonian old man with an indecipherable Devon accent). We slept in sleeping bags on piles of straw nicked from Jack at night, and it was glorious.

We had moved from Hertfordshire to Devon, and we couldn’t move into the old wreck cottage the parents had bought until it had a proper bathroom put in.

Our cat survived cat flu that summer, and she caught sooooo many mice - once there were about 9 in a little line outside the tent.

TheBeesKnee · 03/08/2023 23:59

I'm not sure what you mean - there were periods of extreme poverty, failed crops, etc. and my granddad had to travel for work abroad for months at a time to send money back so that they could buy things.

This wasn't in the UK by the way, not sure if that makes a difference for you.

I think my point was that I don't have a romantic view of living off grid because I've been through the low points myself as a child and witnessed what a lifetime of fighting just to survive did to people I loved dearly.

Tatami · 04/08/2023 00:23

My SIL lives a more alternative lifestyle. She's an artist whose work sells for a good amount - when it sells. She lives a famine or feast type of existence with money and Iives with friends at times, works on retreats at other times, and stays with us infrequently. She is utterly charming, easygoing, and good fun. She has the freedom to wake up each day and do whatever she chooses. She is totally unreliable and can go AWOL for days. My DH worries about her. She doesn't have a home as such, and I know she suffers from anxiety, which has led her down a difficult path at times. I can see she'd benefit from a small degree of routine and stability - but that's just not her way. Thankfully, she has DH if it all goes very wrong for her, which I love him for, but she is about the most self-centred person I know.

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 04/08/2023 00:48

I did six months of backpacking, and living in backpackers dorms, sharing with anything up to 30 other people.

No privacy whatsoever, but I met lots of people and had plenty of fun.

I'd do it again in a heartbeat, were I not now tied down by a dog, owning my own business (not something you can do remotely) and a partner who works the 9-5. Were it not for the dog and partner I'd go and live that way again, in cheap countries, in the January and February off-season.

CurlewKate · 04/08/2023 00:50

I live on a boat. AMA! But you'll probably be disappointed....

Adarajames · 04/08/2023 01:13

I used to live in a bender (sort of hazel pole and canvas igloo) in a new age hippi community. Loved it, hard work though with collecting wood and water, chopping wood and keeping the fire going through the night of freeze when you get up!

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 04/08/2023 03:11

Lived on a narrowboat for 23 years. Cruised most of the uk canal system. Just moved bankside once more.

winteriscoming2022 · 04/08/2023 07:04

Small van on campsite for six months during 2020 ( had sold my house and was moving to a different city and couldn't find a house cos Covid)
Summer was fun except for the no visitor rule but the campsite eventually closed most amenities ( Covid) which meant a long walk in the dark to the one shower open at 6am before work in the winter. That really wasn't fun and I'd not been prepared for the constant damp feeling on my clothes even though the van had a heater and felt toasty. I did have family to take washing to but had I not there were no laundry facilities open anywhere in the city.
I'd live in a van again ( but preferably not in a pandemic) but the current climate is quite anti people travelling around unless they park in conventional campsites at night

Luckydog7 · 04/08/2023 07:13

I interned at earthship. Built off grid eco houses in the new Mexico desert. Lived in one during that time. All water was harvested rain water, power for solar panels etc. Fairly luxuruous considering we were in the middle of nowhere.

Guimpe · 04/08/2023 07:22

I lived for a year by myself on an otherwise uninhabited island with no electricity.

SnotSnotSnottySnot · 04/08/2023 07:27

Ex boat dweller (only did 7 years). The novelty of flushing toilets still hasn't worn off!

Fraaahnces · 04/08/2023 07:29

I’m daydreaming about living in a tiny house on a mountain. Probably not likely in the next few years!

dudsville · 04/08/2023 07:32

3/4 is my family are off grid and quite nomadic about. I fantasise about it but I'm pretty sure I'll never do it. I've been the family "city girl" since my teens.

BMW6 · 04/08/2023 07:48

Guimpe · 04/08/2023 07:22

I lived for a year by myself on an otherwise uninhabited island with no electricity.

That's really intriguing - please tell us more!

Better still write a book about your experience and tell us the title so we can buy it!

Tiny2018 · 04/08/2023 07:56

I lived in a static caravan in my 20's. Not a nomadic life by any stretch but my only bills were caravan finance and ground rent. No post, nobody ever knocking on my door. It was by far the best time of my life.

Site was only open 10 months though and I fell pregnant and had to move into a house for stability for future baby. I detest living in a house and fully intend to retire in a static by the sea.

Whatames · 04/08/2023 08:08

Lived in a caravan in a field with 2 kids (2 and 6 months) when my partner lost his job and we had to move to the other end of the country. Had a lovely set up and was over the summer and I loved it. Thr pace of life fetching water and walking down to a little hut with a washing machine. I’m also intrigued by this life style

SirVixofVixHall · 04/08/2023 13:00

Guimpe · 04/08/2023 07:22

I lived for a year by myself on an otherwise uninhabited island with no electricity.

Amazing ! What were the best and hardest things ? Was it in Britain ?

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 04/08/2023 13:39

SnotSnotSnottySnot · 04/08/2023 07:27

Ex boat dweller (only did 7 years). The novelty of flushing toilets still hasn't worn off!

I can’t get out of the 12 volt mindset with limited 240v ! I still hestitate and add up the volts when charging a phone, hoovering and putting the kettle on blows my mind! Oh the luxury of a proper shower with unlimited hot water…..!

totally get the toilet thing, spent an entire year trying to forget about loo blue and where the hell I’ve hidden it this week!

Diyextension · 04/08/2023 17:59

SirVixofVixHall · 04/08/2023 13:00

Amazing ! What were the best and hardest things ? Was it in Britain ?

Im guessing the worse thing was having no electricity ? And best thing was when the year was up and having electricity?

op if you want to get a taste of living off grid just turn off your electric,water gas and block up your drains , it could be just just what your after.

nameXname · 05/08/2023 18:57

OP Ignore anything on TV. Quite apart from anything else, many programme-makers come with a large backup/support system in the form of camera operators, location finders and fixers, paid locals to guide them etc. Also, they mostly have plenty of money to pay for the best outdoor kit.

I don't really see what capitalism has to do with it, either. I hold no views about Ben Fogle and wish him very well, but the government website Companies House website (surely, the home of capitalism!) lists him as a director of several companies, some past and disolved but others stillactive. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/PLL--dR-Uj4jL0qO4PisxHiJD0U/appointments
According to Time Out, he also owns and proposes to rent out a very desirable London residence for a considerable sum: https://www.timeout.com/london/news/ben-fogles-eye-popping-london-home-is-up-for-rent-061223 Good luck to him. I do not criticise.

Having lived for many years in a very remote place - before it was 'discovered' by rich media folk, I can say:

1.If you live anywhere permanently, you cannot escape bureaucracy. You also need it; you need to register with a GP (chest infections from living in somewhere cold and damp are a very real possibility; also, talking to a 90 year old neighbour about times in the past, she readily offered the info that several children she knew when young had died of tetanus (going barefoot at the time was usual) so vaccinations are essential. Also what about smear tests, contraception etc. Almost certainly, you'll need to get some post delivered and if you have children, they need to register with a school. I never claimed benefits - I was working from home all the time - but if you intend to/need to (and I'm not critical of this, either, despite your antagonism to capitalism) then you'll need an address. I also see it as a democratic duty to vote - because of the Suffragettes - and for that you need to be on the electoral roll. To my mind, it's a cop-out to complain about the way things are run and not to try to take actions, however limited, to try to change them for the better.

2 You need water, wherever you live. Not simple, in many remote places where natural local water supplies are at a premium. Often, this has led to serious legal/social conflicts between neighbours. We had happily and legally had agreed rights to the use of a spring, but we had to purchase hundreds of metres of water piping (and expensive connectors) plus the tanks to collect that water. Cost was several thousands. Even so, the pipes froze every winter and that created airlocks. We had to wade up a stream in freezing fast-flowing water for almost a kilometer to open each pipe joint and let trapped air out. We also had to scramble maybe 20 ft down a cliff to get to the water header tank and replace bits of piping or connections that had been blown apart by the ice.

You CAN construct a compost loo but they are quite a lot of work and not that cheap to begin with. They also need to be properly designed, by an expert that you (very properly) pay for. Depending on the local soil conditions - ours was solid rock - it can cost many thousands to eventually install a septic tank. And then it is several hundreds more to get it desludged/emptied every few years. If you think that wild areas are an open-all-hours-loo for anything but the most occasional visit, then I have utterly no respect. Sorry. I don't know what the programme-makers do; I would really hope that they are more responsible.

3.For all this time, I did not have a car. There was one bus a day to the nearest shopping centre, 50 miles each way. The bus stop was 3 miles away, up a steep hill. So I walked. I had a big veg garden, but the climate was pretty extreme - this is UK mainland, not the outer isles. So how are you going to eat? There was a village shop about 7 miles away, but it could not possibly stock a wide range of stuff and nor could it charge supermarket low prices. Without email/phone/agreed address, deliveries were impossible. And even now, most food suppliers will still not deliver to that address.

4.For some long time, we had no electricity. So no internet, no quick cooking, no TV, no lighting, no remote school working etc etc. Even today, a few years after we moved away (for ill-health reasons) mobile phone and broadband connections are not reliable. There has never been any online gas available. If you've got the means to transport the cylinders, then very expensive LPG is an option. Otherwise wood - no, you cannot go and trespass and take it yourself - is not cheap, either.

I DO NOT WISH to sound negative. My ancestors as far as Scottish records for ordinary people can be traced back came from such a background and so I was brought up with their values. The 20+ years I spent living in wild remote suroundings surrounded by - in winter time - fewer than 10 neighbours scattered over a wide area - were some of the happiest of my life. We knew that we all depended on each other and so, in spite of differences in age/wealth/outlook we genuinely worked together to help each other.

This has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with posh outsiders visiting for a while for TV, and even less to do with capitalist (or the alternative) values. Though, FWIW, any study of 19th cent/early 20th cent literature (from Turgenev to George Mackay Brown) surely tells you that the canny-with-money peasant is a stock figure of realist as well as imaginative writing.

And you ask 'were their conditions any worse?' Well, my grandmother had five pregnancies that I know of (maybe more) and only three surviving children. Who knows whether the others would have survived with decent /affordable medical care. All three slept in the same bed in a house with no heating and no indoor water supply/loo. My father said that the dog (who liked to get in under the covers) helped keep them warm at night.

https://www.timeout.com/london/news/ben-fogles-eye-popping-london-home-is-up-for-rent-061223

BrownieNut · 05/08/2023 19:29

@nameXname i don’t think the fact Ben Fogle is wealthy and lives a normal life detracts from his program. It is the people he visits who live the alternative life and he, as an outsider, narrates the differences he experiences when he visits. His qualification for doing so is the fact he lived on taransay for a year as part of an off grid community.
It is a fascinating program which can really make us all think about how we live and the impact we have on the environment.