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What would you do in our situation?

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GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/05/2023 09:48

We've been in our current house for over ten years now. It's a small 3 bed Victorian terrace - was about 750 sq ft when we bought it; we did a kitchen extension a few years ago which means we might now be approaching 800 sq ft (I haven't checked) but it's still not big!

There's a lot to love about our house - it's cosy and easy and (relatively) cheap to heat; lovely period features (we even have a blue plaque outside); takes no time to clean, and it's in a very central location. Town centre, schools and train station (DH commutes into London 2-3 times a week, me less frequently) are all within walking distance, but so are lovely parks and countryside for walks etc.

Best of all, it's affordable. We over pay the mortgage every month, and pay off a big chuck every year when DH gets his annual bonus. If things continue as they are, we could be mortgage free in ten years or less, by which time I'll be mid-50s, DH late 50s, and the DC 21 and 18/19.

However, there are major downsides. The DC (DD and DS) have their own rooms, but they're small - 10ft by 6ft for DD, 8ft by 6ft for DS (approximately). DS's room in particular is an awkward layout, making it hard to maximise space. They're not really suitable for teenage hangouts or sleepovers.

DH and I lack bedroom storage space, and there's no office space for DH, who works from home 2-3 days a week. He's either in our bedroom or the kitchen, neither of which is ideal.

The front door opens straight on to the living room, so in the winter we're constantly hoovering up the muck that gets in no matter how careful we are. We have only on street parking, although to be honest we're used to that and it isn't a major problem as we're able to walk to most places.

To get a substantially bigger house we'd need to move to the suburbs, which we're definitely not prepared to do. It would make everyone's life harder and unhappier. If we stay in this area, we could get something a bit bigger - maybe a home office, or slightly bigger bedrooms, or a second bathroom, or a drive, but not all or even most of those things.

Our loft is small, but we could possibly extend up into it. We do use it for storage though, so god knows what we'd do with the stuff we keep up there - no garage, and no room in the (tiny) garden for a shed. To do a full dormer extension we'd probably have to lose DS's bedroom for the stairs, so it wouldn't gain us much extra space. A semi-conversion, in which we'd put in velux windows, heating and power, and one of those pull-down staircases, so it could be used as an office/teen hangout space, might be more practical, and we could keep some storage space up there. But we'd need to extend our mortgage to do so, which means paying it off for longer.

My current thinking is that if we just put up with what we have and concentrate on paying off the mortgage, we'll be in a position to help the DC more when they leave home. Yes, our current home will not be one they'll be keen to come back to as adults (you can just about fit a double bed in DD's room, but I don't think you could in DS's), but if we're mortgage-free by the time DD graduates, we'd be better placed to help her get on the property ladder, and then DS later as well, and wouldn't that be better than having to go back to live with mum and dad anyway?

In the meantime home working is tricky for DH, but he does have the option to go into the office more. And yes, there's not much space for teen hangouts, but my memory of my own teen years is that we all crammed into my tiny bedroom, or that of another friend's, because we lived centrally and we could use it as a base to meet up or go out from. No one wanted to hang out in more rural friends' much bigger houses! Plus DD is autistic and very introverted, so may not even want to have friends round - and isn't that another argument for putting ourselves in a position to help her buy a little flat of her own, rather than condemning her to flat shares that would make her miserable?

Once the DC have left home, this house would be a perfectly decent size for DH and I. And actually, I do love it. I didn't at first - it was only meant to be a starter home - but I do now, and I'd be sad to leave it. If we could afford a dream house in a dream location, maybe I wouldn't mind leaving it, but we can't.

Well congratulations if you got through that long ramble!! I'd love to know what you think - I'm very much leaning towards concentrating on paying off the mortgage above all else, but I'm open to other POVs. Who knows, there may be some other brilliant solution I've overlooked.

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CrumpetsandJammmm · 08/05/2023 11:22

I’d stay. Throw some money at a loft conversion - even one with a ladder up to a nice office space would be good, and get some storage built in. Or a garden office if you have the space.

RM2013 · 08/05/2023 11:25

I have been in your shoes although slightly different scenario because we messed up financially years ago and took an interest only mortgage so were faced with the choice of staying in the smaller but cheaper house we’d lived in for almost 20 years and have to take out a repayment mortgage to cover it anyway or just to sell up, use equity for a deposit and increase mortgage to get a bigger place. DS x2 are both teens and I’m aware that at some point they may move out but we could downsize if needed.

im very risk averse and an over thinker and it took me a long time to decide but we decided to go for the bigger house which has given them bigger bedrooms (DS2 had a box room which wasn’t big enough for him to have anywhere to do his homework). We have loads more storage, more bathrooms (just 1 in the old house was causing queues!!) plus we are in an area we all prefer.

weigh up the pros and cons of staying vs moving (I actually wrote a list!!!)

good luck

midgemadgemodge · 08/05/2023 11:31

chipsandpeas · 08/05/2023 11:19

what about adding something like a garden office which your DH can use during the day then DC at night

Because op said there wasn't room

Babyroobs · 08/05/2023 11:34

How big is the garden? Any room for one of those home office/ converted shed things? To be honest I would stay. I have 4 teen/ young adult kids and they have never had anyone stay over except for girlfriends once they are older. My ds 3 has managed with a small room for years and is just glad to have his own space, although he is quite minimalist so does not have a lot of clutter. I guess the only thing to consider longer term is that kids are having to live at home longer these days, so you may need to factor in that.

Babyroobs · 08/05/2023 11:35

Babyroobs · 08/05/2023 11:34

How big is the garden? Any room for one of those home office/ converted shed things? To be honest I would stay. I have 4 teen/ young adult kids and they have never had anyone stay over except for girlfriends once they are older. My ds 3 has managed with a small room for years and is just glad to have his own space, although he is quite minimalist so does not have a lot of clutter. I guess the only thing to consider longer term is that kids are having to live at home longer these days, so you may need to factor in that.

Sorry just seen updates that garden not big enough for home office.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/05/2023 11:54

Sorry if I've caused confusion with the DC's ages! Yes they are currently 11 and nearly 9; DD starts secondary in September. While she's autistic she has no learning difficulties and is very academically able. I'm confident she'll be able to live independently and work for a living when she's older. She's already very sensible with her pocket money.

Just had a chat with FIL and reckons we'll be mortgage-free in less than 10 years, so better able to support them both at uni etc if we stay put.

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PianoLeGrande · 08/05/2023 12:06

I think it is hard to imagine but don't think of your current 11 and 9 year old but instead think of 4 adults occupying the space. We had this when we had friends visit with their teenagers and suddenly our lounge which usually held a 4 and 1 year old felt tiny with these looming almost adults. We knew we would be moving anyway as it really was a starter home but that visit helped to push us to do it sooner rather than later.

I think work out what the alternatives are out there so you have a comparison. Cast your net wide on Rightmove, put in your actual criteria of 3 or 4 bedrooms to see what gets suggested. Also reverse the prices so instead of looking at houses at the top end of your budget you actually start with the bottom end. Just might open your eyes to something you hadn't considered, maybe somewhere close to where you are now but needs work. I am not saying move, just see what else there is.

Re teens hanging out, never happened here or at anyone's house as they all just connect via headsets on group chats. They sometimes all play the same game together which only 2 people would be able to do if they were at someone's house instead of 6 of them all on a campaign together in their own homes. Once they all hit 18 they would sit in Spoons for an evening as you can order drinks to the table rather than getting up and queuing at the bar.

As they get taller their clothing also takes up a lot more space too. Your Ds could easily be in adult clothing at 14 with size 9 feet. My friend actually has a storage unit to stash all the things they used to have in their loft as they converted it, so all the suitcases, Christmas tree and decorations, pedestal fans that they use in summer etc, garden has no room as it is more like a yard than a garden

Have just seen your update, yes to financially supporting them at uni but also where are you going to store all their stuff? Ds had a gap between end of year 1 and the start of year 2 accommodation, luckily he didn't have to clear his room out for every holiday, but they have a lot of stuff that goes with them from bedding, duvet, pillow, kitchen stuff, bathroom stuff etc. This will also be coming home with him when he finishes too. Just things to consider.

Paq · 08/05/2023 12:51

I'd stay. Declutter if need be. Maybe get an architect around to price up possible extensions or reconfigurations.

daffodilandtulip · 08/05/2023 13:15

The sleepovers are minimal and only last for minimal years. They're soon off to cinemas/restaurants etc or living online. I just vacate the lounge if they want a sleepover.

We extended the loft and had a proper conservatory extension that's open to the house. The amount of storage in a loft conversion surprised me, and I pretty much kept everything up there that started up there.

One thing you haven't looked at is a porch. I have a hallway but I still get annoyed at the dirt coming in so am looking to add one soon.

FanSpamTastic · 08/05/2023 14:20

Is there any room in the garden to put in a garden room? That could make a quiet space for WFH now. Then be a teenage hang out place in future and possible a spare room in future? We used a firm called Okopod for similar type of thing. They can build on site if access is difficult or build offsite and crane it in. They can build to any dimension needed.

Laura455 · 08/05/2023 14:39

Stay! Your house sounds similar to mine except one of my bedrooms is 4'8" by 8' so very tiny! I did have 3 kids here but one has now left home

We made a loft room. Two veluxes, tiny staircase. My middle son uses it as a bedroom now and it works really well. Couldn't be a proper conversation as head height only 5'10".

The tiny bedroom is now an office.

I love my house! So much character and and I've made it my own... don't ever want to leave.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/05/2023 15:31

My garden is properly tiny, a garden office would take up most of it - and I'd end up bitterly resenting DH for it. I love my little garden, which is a proper little sun trap (I love the sun), and which I've nurtured over the years to have lots of sweet-smelling, bee-friendly plants and herbs, which I use in cooking. I'd rather move than it give it over to an office - I need outdoor space, even if it's a tiny one.

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GasPanic · 08/05/2023 15:40

If you are struggling for space and have loads of stuff, consider self storage.

Plus the fees really focus the mind on whether you really need to keep the crap or not.

Another option is you could put a shed/summerhouse in the garden. Yes you like your garden. But it would only be temporary for a few years, then when your kids leave you can revert back to what it was before - if you have limited space the bottom line is you can't have everything.

regenerista · 08/05/2023 15:48

I'd stay and do loft conversion for a home office (you can get a fair amount of storage built in to the eaves for things like Christmas decs)

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/05/2023 15:48

I'm not putting anything in my garden.

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GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/05/2023 15:53

And we don't have enough extra "stuff" to need to hire a storage unit. The stuff in the loft is Christmas decorations, suitcases for holidays, some sentimental stuff - a storage unit would be wasted. We could probably get it into eaves storage if we did convert the loft.

I think DH and I could probably get some extra storage space into our bedroom if we were a bit cleverer with the space, too.

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hereiamagainn · 08/05/2023 16:00

It really doesn’t sound like you want to move, so why are you considering it? Does your DH want to move?

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/05/2023 16:25

I don't think I do want to move, and neither does DH. I think we both feel maybe the kids need more space though?

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Wallywobbles · 08/05/2023 16:28

How about helping the kids to move out with a starter flat and staying where you are?

Wallywobbles · 08/05/2023 16:30

Ignore me.

Calmdown14 · 08/05/2023 16:34

I think I'd look into a loft conversion and if this isn't possible, really decent storage.

If you could get an extra room up there and some desk space in the former bedroom under the stairs then you'd have most of what you need.

This time is relatively short though and you are in a great location for teenagers or for future job opportunities for them. I don't see slightly bigger bedrooms being worth giving that up for

Frenchfancy · 08/05/2023 16:36

Location is more important to teens than space. The freedom to be able to come and go without constantly asking mum and Dad for lifts is priceless.

We live in a big rural house and teen DD would much rather be in town.

NicLondon1 · 08/05/2023 16:39

It sounds like your current house is far too small for your needs. If you want to stay in the area, I’d invest in something bigger now and it will increase in value in the next decade. Choose whether to go for the office space or the bigger bedrooms.
Then you can always downsize to release equity when the kids go to Uni.
Hopefully the amount made in the investment will be more than what you could
offer from mortgage savings by staying where you are….? So you’d be helping your kids even more that way.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/05/2023 16:39

Wallywobbles · 08/05/2023 16:30

Ignore me.

No worries, I've obviously phrased my OP badly, a lot of people have thought I've got adult DC already

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