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Am I crazy for buying a house now?

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magneticmoon · 18/04/2023 11:55

The back story is I've been trying to buy for years, had several fall through, for different reasons during the process and have found it all really hard and upsetting at times. I've finally found a house - what I would call a decent one. Not very old, a good price compared with other similar properties listed online.

For context I'm a single parent, I work full time in a professional role but there is just me earning. The mortgage will be about a third of my Income. And almost double what I've been paying as rent in a much smaller place, and for a long time.

I was feeling reasonably happy about this, but a friend has commented, thinks I'm mad to even be considering buying now, with what they see as harsh economic times, looming recession. Their view is I'm brave or crazy to consider it.

I know there is a risk. My job is relatively stable and secure but that could change. Something could happen personally or economically.. these are the risks you take in buying. Though I've never bought before. I'm not sure what the alternatives are - staying in a small rental, for however long and then what.

Is it really crazy to buy now, or would you just go for it in my position?

OP posts:
magneticmoon · 19/04/2023 08:43

I'm not sure how to figure out the long term trend of the road as its a relatively new estate (3 years).

One concern is its proximity to a very major road. 100 metres more or less. So traffic noise. I know that could affect the re sale. It isn't the reason the sellers are selling - they're emigrating.

OP posts:
RoseBucket · 19/04/2023 08:57

Houses prices tend to stall a little over winter and rise very slightly from Spring through to the end of summer. My mortgage fixed rate ended at the end of last year just as the interest rate spiked. I took the risk and didn’t fix and took at a variable with no redemption penalty, I’m still paying under the fixed rates at the end of last year and new fixed coming in are mostly also under those of last year and your LTV opens up more options for you. I think they’ll stay around this rate now for quite some time.

What type of rental accommodation are you in? Is it secure.

If prices drop, especially after an inflated rise supply also drops which stabilises the market because many will be in negative equity for a while and eventually they rise again.

So don’t expect a huge fall, if anything it’ll revert to 2019 prices so it’s more about your current circumstances than prices.

MintJulia · 19/04/2023 09:02

It sounds very sensible.

Imagine getting to retirement age and knowing you never need to pay rent again.

Your finances are good, you and your child will benefit from the extra space and believe me, you will need it when they grow into a teen. And it gives you a feeling of permanence and roots that is invaluable.

I'd go for it. I'm a single working mum of a teen and I did. Haven't regretted it.

carriedout · 19/04/2023 09:06

You say your circs could change - but so could they whilst renting and then you may never be able to buy.

Make hay while the sun shines - if you can buy now, it is a good time to do so unless you expect a huge drop in house prices in the very short term.

Greenfairydust · 19/04/2023 09:15

I would go for it.

I have also been having a hard time with buying for almost 6 months now. I made 3 offers recently.

  • gazumped on the first one after a month (funnily enough it is back on the market after the sale collapsed)
  • second offer: buyers too 4 weeks to reject (funnily they had to take off the market and rent it instead I think as no one would buy it at their asking price)
  • offered on 3 rd house and now survey revealed they don't have planning permission/building regs certificate for extensions...so I am about to withdraw from the sale.

But I am still planning to buy as renting is just not secure.

If you can afford the mortgage and any repairs that might crop up then there are no reason not to buy a house.

Negotiate a good price for the house and I wish you the best of luck!

RollerCoaster2020 · 19/04/2023 12:35

Using Rightmove sold prices as a guide is a bit dodgy.
In Aug 2022 the BOE base rate was 1.25%.
So affordable large mortgages.. So what?
Welll. Someone puts an offer in back then, Then applies for a mortgage at that great rate. Conveyancing typically takes up to six months.
So completion around Feb 2023.
The figures then go to the Land Registry who take an average of three months to process and release them. (May 2023)
Then a slight delay until the Rightmove database is updated (maybe 15 days as they do it in batch uploads). which means that offer accepted at 2.2% back in Aug is reflected in Rightmove prices you research in Mid-May 2023.

If you are looking at Rightmove NOW then that would reflect offers accepted in July 2022 when the BOE was 1.0%

And in 2023 we have massive increase in inflation, fuel, gas, food, telecoms, etc etc.
Can you see the problem?

KievLoverTwo · 19/04/2023 15:20

magneticmoon · 19/04/2023 08:41

Thank you that's a really interesting way to look at it!

Yw. 75% is a very good LTV for a FTB and you should be able to take your pick of mortgage lenders.

Sadly, it probably won’t reflect in a lower mortgage rate. Unlike a year ago, people with 10% plus don’t really get financially rewarded until they are at 60% LTV. That’s just the way it is at this point in time. But your mortgage repayments will be nicely lower than those with small deposits.

OH has just told me he has got us 4.89% , which he has done by calling four different brokers repeatedly and saying ‘can you better that.’ I think his work has saved us something in the region of £500 a month (albeit with a 35 year mortgage, but our current financial priority is saving large emergency funds to fix anything that goes wrong with the ancient house we are buying).

It really is worth putting the time into.

If you don’t have oodles or cash, I would say put down a 20% deposit and keep the 5% for your emergency fund. The extra 5% isn’t going to get you a lower mortgage rate, if my observations are correct.

IwanttoworkforThomasNightingale · 19/04/2023 15:23

KievLoverTwo · 19/04/2023 15:20

Yw. 75% is a very good LTV for a FTB and you should be able to take your pick of mortgage lenders.

Sadly, it probably won’t reflect in a lower mortgage rate. Unlike a year ago, people with 10% plus don’t really get financially rewarded until they are at 60% LTV. That’s just the way it is at this point in time. But your mortgage repayments will be nicely lower than those with small deposits.

OH has just told me he has got us 4.89% , which he has done by calling four different brokers repeatedly and saying ‘can you better that.’ I think his work has saved us something in the region of £500 a month (albeit with a 35 year mortgage, but our current financial priority is saving large emergency funds to fix anything that goes wrong with the ancient house we are buying).

It really is worth putting the time into.

If you don’t have oodles or cash, I would say put down a 20% deposit and keep the 5% for your emergency fund. The extra 5% isn’t going to get you a lower mortgage rate, if my observations are correct.

Not true! We had an FTB mortgage approved with 75% LTV (for a purchase that fell through) and we did get a better rate for that LTV than we would have with 80% or higher. With First Direct.

KievLoverTwo · 19/04/2023 15:26

IwanttoworkforThomasNightingale · 19/04/2023 15:23

Not true! We had an FTB mortgage approved with 75% LTV (for a purchase that fell through) and we did get a better rate for that LTV than we would have with 80% or higher. With First Direct.

Very happy to be wrong for the OP.

i think what you aww online versus what you can actually get when you start making phone calls are completely different things - a learning curve for me!

Thanks for correcting me. I was finding it quite depressing thinking hardcore savers get nothing good, so this has cheered me up.

IwanttoworkforThomasNightingale · 19/04/2023 15:36

KievLoverTwo · 19/04/2023 15:26

Very happy to be wrong for the OP.

i think what you aww online versus what you can actually get when you start making phone calls are completely different things - a learning curve for me!

Thanks for correcting me. I was finding it quite depressing thinking hardcore savers get nothing good, so this has cheered me up.

Might depend on the provider, also.

Wanderergirl · 19/04/2023 16:03

If you’re looking for newer builds, I suggest buying if the landlords, they end up offloading quite few with very attractive pricing nowadays. I wouldn’t buy new built from family or ex FTB as they will be pricing their property ambitiously.

We have quite a lot of new builds around us and majority if them that are in the market are sitting unsold. It’s definitely ok to buy now, but being very savvy when it comes to negotiations.

Creepyrosemary · 19/04/2023 16:13

I'd advise to buy as long as you can stay there long term. Prices do go up and down a bit but if you take any house at any point in time and look at the price ten years later it will have gone up. Rent is money thrown away, buying isn't free but in the decades to come you will have less costs than dealing with rent being corrected for inflation all the time.

DemBonesDemBones · 19/04/2023 17:22

@rainingsnoring must depend where you are. Certainly not falling here-we've made an enormous amount of money on our house in the last 18 months. Enough for 2 extra bedrooms and land in the next house.

rainingsnoring · 19/04/2023 18:28

DemBonesDemBones · 19/04/2023 17:22

@rainingsnoring must depend where you are. Certainly not falling here-we've made an enormous amount of money on our house in the last 18 months. Enough for 2 extra bedrooms and land in the next house.

Definitely falling in most regions for many months now. The falls are already showing in the ONS data from about 8 months ago.
Lots of reductions on Rightmove in most areas now.
Perhaps yours is the exception. Are you NW or somewhere else?

This is Feb 23 ONS data out today: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/housepriceindex/february2023
and here is a tweet with ONS regional breakdown: twitter.com/emmafildes/status/1648608877343043584?cxt=HHwWgMCzucHChOEtAAAA

UK House Price Index - Office for National Statistics

Monthly house price inflation in the UK, calculated using data from HM Land Registry, Registers of Scotland, and Land and Property Services Northern Ireland.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/housepriceindex/february2023

Mark19735 · 19/04/2023 18:42

I've done many things I regretted, but I've never regretting buying a house. Once you complete, you will never think about the price you paid for it - ever again. And you won't think about what it's worth on any given day, either - in fact, not until you are ready to sell it and move on. And the real beauty is, at that point you will be an owner, not a FTB, so the house will automatically be worth whatever amount you decide it is worth to you, at the very least, and maybe even more, if others want it badly. You really cannot lose. The fear of falling house prices is simply not something most owner-occupiers have. It is something those who've missed the boat imagine we have. It is something the do-em-up-and-flip-'em bunch might have. It is something the BTL 'pwoperty is my pension!'-brigade are having in increasing numbers ... but OP, you don't sound like any of these - so please be reassured that all the owners on this thread are sincere and genuine - it's always a great time to buy if your circumstances are right, and yours sound like they are.

rainingsnoring · 19/04/2023 18:50

'You really cannot lose. The fear of falling house prices is simply not something most owner-occupiers have'.
Not true. Check the 1990s when lots of people were very frightened indeed.

During recessions, lots of people lose their jobs and are absolutely frightened about having to sell their home at a loss. If they have bought recently, they are likely to be in negative equity at just the wrong time.
I'm not saying that @magneticmoon should definitely not buy although it does sound as if there is a very sensible argument for waiting until the end of the year. Her rent is half the price of the potential mortgage for starters.

Mark19735 · 19/04/2023 19:03

Yawn. Don't you ever stop? During the 90's people were frightened of losing their jobs. If they hadn't lost their jobs, most wouldn't have even thought of selling. Don't confuse a general recession with your particular weird fetish about falling house prices.

Waiting a whole year before starting repaying a mortgage reduces the total time available to repay your last mortgage, which limits the term of that mortgage. If you wanted to move house when you reach your late 40s, the increased costs of borrowing over a shorter term might cost you far more than you would have saved this year, even if you genuinely believe that there are potential savings to be had. And don't forget, for 28 out of the last 30 years, there haven't. The housepricecrash doomsday cult have been wrong, year after year after year.

rainingsnoring · 19/04/2023 19:11

'Don't you ever stop?'
Stop challenging you when you are giving potentially dangerous advice you mean?
Surely you know that unemployment rises in a recession or perhaps I am assuming too much!

PinkPlantCase · 19/04/2023 19:12

We just bought, the sale completed around a month ago.

There is no guarantee that things will get better and with inflation the cash that you have saved will keep being worth less.

For us, we’re in our late 20s, we needed somewhere bigger and I wasn’t going to put my life on hold to wait and see what the market did.

Mark19735 · 19/04/2023 19:15

'Potentially dangerous advice'??? Give over. You keep hijacking these threads to bang your tired old drum about house prices crashing. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? It sucks the joy out of every thread where people are wanting reassurance and wanting to enjoy the excitement of buying their first home. It's nest building. It's an evolutionary urge. This is mumsnet. Geddit? Why spoil people's joy? Buying a house was the single best decision I ever made. Financially, emotionally, psychologically. End of.

DemBonesDemBones · 19/04/2023 19:18

@rainingsnoring I'm in Scotland.

Frenchlady2023 · 19/04/2023 19:18

As someone else who has been trying to buy for years just go for it! Unless you’re buying to sell on in the short term it’s not really an issue as long as you can afford the mortgage.

DemBonesDemBones · 19/04/2023 19:24

But looking on rightmove, property where I moved from in SE England is also selling for more than it was last year...

rainingsnoring · 19/04/2023 20:03

Mark19735 · 19/04/2023 19:15

'Potentially dangerous advice'??? Give over. You keep hijacking these threads to bang your tired old drum about house prices crashing. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? It sucks the joy out of every thread where people are wanting reassurance and wanting to enjoy the excitement of buying their first home. It's nest building. It's an evolutionary urge. This is mumsnet. Geddit? Why spoil people's joy? Buying a house was the single best decision I ever made. Financially, emotionally, psychologically. End of.

Yes, potentially dangerous.
As far as I know, anyone can comment on MN, even people who disagree with you. There's really no need to take offence because some people have different opinions. And I'm not wrong, just check the multiple data sources that are available. Btw, the crashing is your choice of word; I have never said that, just that prices are falling (factually correct in most areas) and may fall a lot.
That's marvellous that buying a house has worked out well for you, as it has for us. It doesn't therefore follow that it will be the same for everyone else forever and ever. Better to think the largest financial outlay of most people's lives through thoroughly and stop talking about dreams and giving false reassurance.
@DemBonesDemBones I don't know much about Scotland but the stats do suggest it is falling on average. Quite significant falls in most of the SE too. Advertised prices are getting reduced a lot and we obviously don't know what they are selling for yet and won't for 6 months plus.

electriclight · 19/04/2023 20:16

Mark19735 · 19/04/2023 19:15

'Potentially dangerous advice'??? Give over. You keep hijacking these threads to bang your tired old drum about house prices crashing. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? It sucks the joy out of every thread where people are wanting reassurance and wanting to enjoy the excitement of buying their first home. It's nest building. It's an evolutionary urge. This is mumsnet. Geddit? Why spoil people's joy? Buying a house was the single best decision I ever made. Financially, emotionally, psychologically. End of.

This seems a bit unnecessary. Why be so nasty just because someone is reading the data and interpreting it differently to you? OP asked for advice, and not just from one side of the fence.

FWIW op I'm in your position. I'm hanging fire for a few months yet to see what happens. Long term, prices rise and home ownership is a good thing, but I'd rather pay a bit less for it if I can, and make smaller monthly mortgage payments for the duration of the debt.

Most serious commentators think we will avoid recession and that interest rates will start to come down at the end of the year, but that house prices are coming down regardless.