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Boundaries with next door

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 18:31

Has anyone had any experience with the marked boundaries on the title deeds not matching ‘real life’

Next door have an outbuilding and on the title deeds the dividing garden wall starts at the end of this building placing it fully in their garden.

However, in reality the dividing wall is half way down this outbuilding so half of it is actually in my garden!

Any advice would be appreciated.

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piedbeauty · 08/03/2023 19:27

Diagram?

Malbab · 08/03/2023 19:33

Yes we had this situation in our previous house, the fence line did not match the title deed, only a couple of feet though it was in the neighbouring vacant land, which belonged to Thames water
They did not dispute when I asked showing copies of title deeds, but it took 3 ND half years to move the fence, they did this at their own cost
The delay was because we're dealing with a large company with lot of red tape which had outsourced this to another estate management company who weren't responsive etc but eventually got sorted and we gained two feet along the entire fence line at the end!

GoodChat · 08/03/2023 19:35

Any idea how long the wall has been there?

Yesthatismychildsigh · 08/03/2023 19:48

So you’ve got extra garden?

Wonnle · 08/03/2023 19:58

Put a door in end that's in your garden and block it off inside so you get and instant shed !

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:14

Malbab · 08/03/2023 19:33

Yes we had this situation in our previous house, the fence line did not match the title deed, only a couple of feet though it was in the neighbouring vacant land, which belonged to Thames water
They did not dispute when I asked showing copies of title deeds, but it took 3 ND half years to move the fence, they did this at their own cost
The delay was because we're dealing with a large company with lot of red tape which had outsourced this to another estate management company who weren't responsive etc but eventually got sorted and we gained two feet along the entire fence line at the end!

So did you have their land or did they have yours?

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:15

Yesthatismychildsigh · 08/03/2023 19:48

So you’ve got extra garden?

It appears that way.

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:15

Wonnle · 08/03/2023 19:58

Put a door in end that's in your garden and block it off inside so you get and instant shed !

The outbuilding is used by them.

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:15

GoodChat · 08/03/2023 19:35

Any idea how long the wall has been there?

At least 20 years

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Lellochip · 08/03/2023 20:19

IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:15

It appears that way.

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Are you my neighbour? 🤨

A couple of feet of my garden, including the door to my outhouse, is on the wrong side of my fence.

Malbab · 08/03/2023 20:20

It was originally belonged to our house which we took back

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:20

Lellochip · 08/03/2023 20:19

Are you my neighbour? 🤨

A couple of feet of my garden, including the door to my outhouse, is on the wrong side of my fence.

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Definitely not. This outbuilding has a window (frosted) that faces into our garden, not a door.

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:21

Malbab · 08/03/2023 20:20

It was originally belonged to our house which we took back

If the plans are right this is the other way around 😳

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Lellochip · 08/03/2023 20:23

@IsItYoursOrIsItMine Shame, this would be one way of raising the awkward question of why do you have my garden 😅

CombatBarbie · 08/03/2023 20:24

I currently have a boundary issue, when our house was between buyers prior to us, he moved the boundary to suit his planning. I'm just about to start legal proceedings to get it back, 3m x 25m approx..... And we now don't talk due to a previous issue so having to go via legal route

And he's started building on my land so it will be interesting.

Malbab · 08/03/2023 20:30

The title boundary was right, but fence was two feet towards us, so we pushed it back two feet to align with what was in the title, hope that makes sense

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 20:37

Lellochip · 08/03/2023 20:23

@IsItYoursOrIsItMine Shame, this would be one way of raising the awkward question of why do you have my garden 😅

Sorry I couldn’t help 🤣

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 22:08

CombatBarbie · 08/03/2023 20:24

I currently have a boundary issue, when our house was between buyers prior to us, he moved the boundary to suit his planning. I'm just about to start legal proceedings to get it back, 3m x 25m approx..... And we now don't talk due to a previous issue so having to go via legal route

And he's started building on my land so it will be interesting.

Oh wow! So he just stole the land?

How long ago did this happen? Good luck 🍀

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IsItYoursOrIsItMine · 08/03/2023 22:08

Malbab · 08/03/2023 20:30

The title boundary was right, but fence was two feet towards us, so we pushed it back two feet to align with what was in the title, hope that makes sense

It does. Thank you 😊

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RandomMess · 08/03/2023 22:22

We had shared brick sheds so part of theirs in our garden and vice versa. That hasn't happened and they've claimed it all as theirs at some point?

Cakedoesntjudge · 08/03/2023 22:50

Annoyingly, the Land Registry specifically says you cannot rely on title plans for legal boundaries. Precise legal boundaries can only be determined by the courts. Where agreement can be reached, people can enter into a determined boundary application or a boundary agreement with their neighbour.

The problem with any boundary dispute is it ends up being expensive.

There is also the possibility of people making an adverse possession claim for the additional land they have ended up with if they meet the requirements.

Either way, it is worth ensuring your house insurance covers you for legal expenses. If your neighbour does end up disputing this with you, it is definitely not something you want to be privately paying legal fees for.

GoodChat · 09/03/2023 06:04

@IsItYoursOrIsItMine if it's not contested after a certain length of time there's some legal new boundary thing

PissedOffNeighbour22 · 09/03/2023 06:34

@CombatBarbie Good luck with your case.

We have an issue with stolen land too. While my gran was bedbound, someone started building a house behind hers. They've stolen land that she bought which includes access to her garage (and her neighbour's garage). It's now fenced off and there's no access in, the guy has left the house half built but loads of machinery blocking the access.
The neighbour has a terminal illness so he never said anything about the land theft either.
My gran has now died so we need to sell the house, which we can't do until the access/land issue is sorted.

Apparently the land thief is someone not to cross and likely to firebomb our house if we piss him off 😳

OneFrenchEgg · 09/03/2023 07:32

Yes for some reason the previous owners allowed the house behind to use a corner of our garden for their drive. So our fence isn't a rectangle but has a stupid extra angled bit. Not sure what to do as it's block paved their side but I would like to replace the fence now it's new people with a proper straight one.

OneFrenchEgg · 09/03/2023 08:25

It's reminded me so I've just sent a polite email just acknowledging they have our verbal permission but I want to think about how to manage it when the houses are sold etc.