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Where would you live in London if you…

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Twittwhoo · 21/11/2022 16:12

…had soon-to-be-secondary aged kids (and planned on state schools)

…liked feeling ‘in London’ (ie not suburbia)

…valued the usual stuff - access to green space, independent shops and businesses, villagey neighbourhood-y vibes, etc etc

…were open-minded to north and south

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yoyy · 28/11/2022 16:32

@Meredusoleil that's how I think & how I was raised tbh. Maybe it's a London thing! 😆

yoyy · 28/11/2022 16:32

re central London. I think z3 & 4 are pretty interchangeable in parts.

yoyy · 28/11/2022 16:33

I do think z6 is different because it's often quite far out, maybe it's the countryside! 😆

babyyodaxmas · 28/11/2022 16:43

yoyy · 28/11/2022 16:32

@Meredusoleil that's how I think & how I was raised tbh. Maybe it's a London thing! 😆

Me three and I was raised in Chiswick on z2/3 borders, felt like the very edge of central London. Another one if you can catch a bus to the West End in half an hour you are not really in the burbs.

babyyodaxmas · 28/11/2022 16:45

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_London_Education_Authority

The area covered by ILEA for me marks the boundary between urban and suburban.

babyyodaxmas · 28/11/2022 16:53

Map of inner ( non suburban) boroughs you can also use the 020 7/ 020 8 discintion.

Where would you live in London if you…
Mirabai · 28/11/2022 17:01

yoyy · 28/11/2022 16:27

Not the outskirts of the centre, the outskirts of the city.

What I'm saying is I just don't see a difference between parts of Wandsworth & Wimbledon in terms of only one being on the outskirts of the city & one being outskirts of the centre!

Wimbledon isn’t on the outskirts, it just isn’t an inner London borough that’s all.

There’s a lot of London to get through before you’re out of London.

Wimbledon > Raynes Park > Morden > Sutton. Once you leave Sutton hit Surrey.

Morden and Sutton are suburbia.

Mirabai · 28/11/2022 17:06

It’s easier just to look at a map of inner and outer London boroughs.

Where would you live in London if you…
Twittwhoo · 28/11/2022 17:09

Enjoying the suburbia debate very much! And it’s made me try and pay more attention to what I mean by it…

….We have friends who’ve moved out to, say Bromley, and to me that feels massively different to ‘London’ (though obviously I know I know there’s no such thing as a singular ‘London’). The streets are bigger and wider and leafier. The ratio of residential buildings to businesses feels much larger. There’s more of a focus on cars rather than people walking around (and of course the public transport connections are different). The local high streets feels more prosaic. The political vibe feels more conservative.

BUT this is compared to a very idealised romanticised gentrified view of inner London, isn’t it!? We’d all love to live near an independent butcher baker and candlestick maker (and no doubt do our shopping at Aldi anyway). And so much of inner London isn’t like that at all.

There’s no doubt a fair amount of snobbery at play in my opinions and I’m prone to thinking of suburbia as lacking, say, interesting independent businesses as a whole. And just generally being more conservative with a small c… It’s no fairer, I’m sure, to characterise all of suburbia in that way than to characterise all of inner London in the romantic bustling buzzy-but-villagey way.

On the other hand, our friends gained massively from the move in so many ways - in particular a lovely garden, which is obviously much less likely in more ‘inner’ boroughs where the properties are more dominated by Victorian terraces. And, good state schools!

So hey, maybe over the next year or two we’ll decide that’s the compromise we want to make anyway. As people have said, our budget won’t stretch to anything like a perfect balance of these factors. I perhaps should have been clearer about our current situation in the OP, but wanted to create a thread more about people sharing their own ideals and debates rather than trying to solve a problem for me if that makes sense - interested in how others weigh these things up!

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MarshaBradyo · 28/11/2022 17:09

Dulwich could be good on those counts

yoyy · 28/11/2022 17:32

Morden and Sutton are suburbia.

Morden too me feels much grifter & noisier then parts of Wandsworth. Probably more diverse too.

We are never going to agree though.

yoyy · 28/11/2022 17:45

@Twittwhoo

BUT this is compared to a very idealised romanticised gentrified view of inner London, isn’t it!? We’d all love to live near an independent butcher baker and candlestick maker (and no doubt do our shopping at Aldi anyway). And so much of inner London isn’t like that at all.

I think you have hit the nail on the head & why I think of many places in inner London that just don't fit that ideal view. It's also very location specific, eg a friend in New Malden lives in a Victorian terrace near the high street so has the tube, eateries etc 5 mins away. Then I know others in Balham & Streatham who are 25mins walk from a station/high street.

I love Wimbledon Village & it would be my ideal place to live, just don't have the budget! I want the big house & garden & excellent high street on the doorstep.

And I have friends in Bromley, Sutton with amazing gardens.

yoyy · 28/11/2022 17:47

I will face the school dilemma at some point & tbh I am looking at moving to z4 as I can't really leave London & can't afford private.

PiggyInTheLidl · 28/11/2022 17:58

Balham, Streatham and Norbury are, and you could scrape a house for 1.2, but they’re not very nice.

What on earth is the matter with Balham? It is full of artisan shops, Waitrose, miles of Tooting Common and walkable to Wandsworth common, great schools, primary and secondary (Chestnut Grove) Balham is on the tube and a good train line.

Streatham Hill and the area around the top of the common are very ‘sought after’ , the High Road is the high road but there are lots of good restaurants and bars. A Blackbird Bakery, big M&S food hall. Great primaries, and Dunraven.
Seems pretty nice to me: www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/122687528#/?channel=RES_BUY
or
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?locationIdentifier=REGION%5E85276&minBedrooms=3&maxPrice=1250000&propertyTypes=bungalow%2Cdetached%2Csemi-detached%2Cterraced&mustHave=&dontShow=&furnishTypes=&keywords=#prop122687528

Norbury is undoubtedly grittier but even Norbury now has a trendy tapas and cocktail bar and is getting an independent gastro pub. Need to be in catchment for the excellent Woodmansterne for secondary.

Notanotherusername4321 · 28/11/2022 18:02

Need to be in catchment for the excellent Woodmansterne for secondary

didn't think London had catchments.

I may be wrong as Norbury is the next borough over but even so I’m reasonably sure it’s all home- to school distance.

the areas that get in change every year, there’s no defined “catchment” like their are in other areas of the UK.

Mirabai · 28/11/2022 18:04

To be fair to Balham it’s a helluva lot better than it used to be - it’s all gentrified now. But personally I don’t like Wandsworth, Tooting and Clapham commons - they’re just flat bits of grass encircled with traffic jams.

yoyy · 28/11/2022 18:06

I always class catchment as immediate vicinity. Take Graveney, you need to live very close to get in on distance.

yoyy · 28/11/2022 18:08

they’re just flat bits of grass encircled with traffic jams.

tbh I think everywhere in South London is like this now, although certain places have less grass.

PiggyInTheLidl · 28/11/2022 18:12

Notanotherusername4321 · 28/11/2022 18:02

Need to be in catchment for the excellent Woodmansterne for secondary

didn't think London had catchments.

I may be wrong as Norbury is the next borough over but even so I’m reasonably sure it’s all home- to school distance.

the areas that get in change every year, there’s no defined “catchment” like their are in other areas of the UK.

Yes, it is on distance, not formal catchment.

OK, within last distance admission radius.

Commonly shortened to ‘catchment’ on the understanding that the distance is a moveable feast.

PiggyInTheLidl · 28/11/2022 18:15

yoyy · 28/11/2022 18:08

they’re just flat bits of grass encircled with traffic jams.

tbh I think everywhere in South London is like this now, although certain places have less grass.

Tooting common is vast, plenty of areas where you are not aware of the traffic. And are you including Brockwell Park in your dismissal of S London parks? Dulwich Park? Crystal Palace Park? Dulwich Woods?

PiggyInTheLidl · 28/11/2022 18:16

PiggyInTheLidl · 28/11/2022 18:15

Tooting common is vast, plenty of areas where you are not aware of the traffic. And are you including Brockwell Park in your dismissal of S London parks? Dulwich Park? Crystal Palace Park? Dulwich Woods?

Norwood Grove etc?

BHMiseverymonth · 28/11/2022 18:16

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yoyy · 28/11/2022 18:21

@PiggyInTheLidl I live in Wandsworth; was born & raised in South London. I'm talking about when in the car, I wouldn't be in traffic jams otherwise!

Where did I dismiss our parks? I just said certain parts are less green, which is true...

yoyy · 28/11/2022 18:22

@BHMiseverymonth are you S or N?

yoyy · 28/11/2022 18:24

Yes best bet is to focus on school first.