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is this survey as awful as it seems? How much to re-negotiate? Am I mad to buy?

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Trolleydolly123 · 10/11/2022 09:51

The house is perfect but in need of love, appeared cosmetic at viewing, received survey and its highlighted the following really bad bits:

Am I mad to buy this house?

Roof coverings
There is evidence of significant water penetration seen internally to the ceilings within the kitchen and also visible by running water down the external walls associated with damp ingress through the edge of the roof. The cause is unclear but maybe due to inadequate flashings, under felt linings, or inadequacies with the detailing of the skylight and further specialist advice from a competent roofing contractor must be obtained. There will be a risk of rot and decay to concealed roof timbers.
Condition Rating 3.

The damp-proof course to the rear external walls is close to being bridged by raised external ground levels.
Where possible, ground levels should be reduced to provide at least two clear courses of brickwork between the DPC and the ground. This may involve expensive groundwork.

Sealed unit glazing to this property shows evidence of misting to some of the panes. This is an indicator of failed seals and is not easily repaired. Similar deterioration to other, apparently unaffected, units should be anticipated.
Condition Rating 2.

Many of the windows to this property have no window sill projecting beyond the wall surfaces. This will create a risk of penetrating dampness and should be rectified.
Condition Rating 2.

Access from the rear is by a set of bifold timber double glazed doors within a timber frame. The bifold double glaze doors are poorly decorated, and the doors have swollen making opening and operation difficult and work of overhaul and repair is necessary.
Condition Rating 2.

Conservatory and porches (continued)
The external ground levels are high in relation to the internal floor level of the conservatory, and there is no method of sub floor ventilation to the raised conservatory timber floor .This may result in serious rot to the timber floors and improvements are required. These works will be both disruptive and expensive and you should obtain quotes for this work prior to a commitment to purchase.
Condition Rating 2.

Ceilings

The ceiling was noted to be stained in the kitchen and the cause of this staining is suspected to be leaks from the roof above. There is further staining to the ceiling below the bathroom and first floor airing cupboard. It was not possible to confirm if this was dry or ongoing and further investigation into the cause of this staining is required. You should instruct a reputable contractor/plumber to investigate this further and advise as to required repairs. These works may include the partial removal and replacement of the ceiling in addition to repairs required to eliminate the source.
Condition Rating 3.

The garage ceiling and conservatory lobby provides limited fire protection to the accommodation above. It is un plastered and has foam expandable filler around the edges and improvements are required in respect. The ceiling should be upgraded to current Building Regulations.
Condition Rating 3.

Electricity

The consumer unit fitted is noted to be of some age with older circuit protection. There are areas of loose and unprotected wiring with areas of poorly carried out alterations. Other parts may also need updating. This, whilst, appearing serviceable, does not comply with current Electrical Regulations and you should to consider upgrading this unit to provide greater operational safety. These works will need to be carried out by an NICEIC or similar registered electrician and should be the subject of an installation certificate upon completion. I recommend that you obtain a circuit test to confirm the safety of the electrical installation.
Condition Rating 3.

Gas/oil
Mains gas is connected to this property.
The meter/isolating valve is located under the stairs. You should ensure that easy access is available to this and the isolating valve at all times. There is no recent (within the last 12 months) test certificate available for this gas installation. You should therefore obtain a precautionary safety test from a Gas Safe registered engineer and follow their recommendations as to any upgrading/improvements required. Any works required should be carried out before occupation.
Condition Rating 3.

Water
Mains water is connected. The incoming mains and isolating stopcock are located in the lobby adjacent to the garage with an external stopcock located in the pavement to the front. Supply water is predominantly formed in copper with some more modern plastic fittings. Waste water plumbing where observed is seen in plastic.
There is no water storage tank with this property as the property has a direct supply. There was evidence of leaks to the water pipework. These leaks will, if unrepaired, lead to damage and the deterioration of internal elements. You should therefore instruct a reputable plumber to investigate the water pipework and repair any leaks discovered.
Condition Rating 3.

There are areas of exposed and unprotected water pipes passing over floors and this requires improvements.
Condition Rating 3.

Heating

The heating appliances do not appear to have been serviced within the last 12 months. You should ask your legal advisers to confirm if this the case. Regular servicing is essential for both operational efficiency and safety reasons and, in the event of a lack of recent service, you should arrange for these to be checked and serviced prior to use. It is likely that some components will require replacement as part of this service.
Condition Rating 3.

Water heating
No service record was available for the water heating system. A precautionary check of this system is recommended prior to use.
Condition Rating 3.

Drainage

From the visible inspection the drains appear to be partly blocked to the front. . There is the possibility therefore that other, hidden, defects may also exist and you should commission a thorough drains survey/test prior to undertaking any repair works. These repairs may be expensive and disruptive.
Condition Rating 3.

The poor condition of the covers to the drainage system represents a potential hazard to the unwary and small children. These covers should be upgraded/improved as a matter of urgency and provisions made to protect this area until these repairs are carried out.
Condition Rating 3.

The garage ceiling provides limited fire protection to the accommodation above and improvements are required in respect. The ceiling should be upgraded to current Building Regulations.
Condition Rating 3.

The garage ceiling provides limited fire protection to the accommodation above and improvements are required in respect. The ceiling should be upgraded to current Building Regulations.
Condition Rating 3.

Grounds
The rear patio is partly damaged with a number of missing flagstone paving, and is mossy and overgrown with poor grouting and overhaul is necessary. There are no steps leading up to the higher level .The rear decking area is significantly neglected, rotten, slippy and dangerous and requires work of renewal.
Condition Rating 2.

The fenced boundaries to this property are in poor condition and require works of repair/replacement. Before undertaking this work you should first ascertain the ownership of the relevant boundary.
Condition Rating 2.

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AlmostOver22 · 10/11/2022 09:56

That is very very bad. Where are you located? How big is the house and what period? That will impact cost - for example bigger houses have more window and older houses have bigger windows so replacing those could cost £40k+ (wood). new roof £30k+. That’s just two of the items on that extensive list. I’d walk away.

Isanyholeagoal · 10/11/2022 10:06

Unless you are made of money I’d run a mile. Sounds like a never ending money pit

snowballer · 10/11/2022 10:10

We've been pretty blasé about surveys in the past on the basis that they absolutely have to point out everything (that's visible) that might pose a problem.

This is a nightmare however - very few of these I'd be content to let slide. I wouldn't go any further with this unless you have a ton of money spare.

Locsup183 · 10/11/2022 10:11

RUN A MILE!!

My bank account hurts just looking at that list. Plus the references to dangerous and unsafe elements of the house would worry me.

When we bought our old house, we had an issue with an extension not covered by building regulations and that took all of our energy (and considerable money) to fix. So no way would I want to tackle a list of problems as long as this!

Not to mention the problems not caught by survey or that pop up after moving in and cost ££££ to fix. We’ve had at least two pricey things crop up to fix in our late 1800s house this year alone.

Clymene · 10/11/2022 10:13

That is a run away, sorry.

rubyslippers · 10/11/2022 10:14

Sounds horrendous - massive issues with damp, water ingress and leaks in the pipework. Water damage and leaks are big red flags
the whole property sounds in a poor state of repair which needs a lot of expensive remedial work

Clymene · 10/11/2022 10:16

And I am someone who has bought several older 100+ year old properties and I'm good at reading when surveyors are covering their arses. This surveyor is trying to tell you to not touch this with a bargepole.

Echobelly · 10/11/2022 10:17

Usually people asking this are just looking at a normal survey that brings a lot of minor things up and I'd say that's normal and chill out, but this looks pretty bad to me. That said, do speak to your surveyor for their view and details of what remedies would be and how much they would cost - you can go back to them and have these discussions.

steelseries · 10/11/2022 10:21

Sorry OP there are so many priority tasks there I wouldn't know where to start. Sounds like it has been very poorly maintained and the surveyor has flagged many many items which need a complete overhaul at great expense. Abort.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/11/2022 10:26

Don’t buy. I say this as someone who knowingly took on a property that needed new windows, electrics, plumbing and heating immediately, and eventually a new roof. That survey is beyond what I would even consider attempting, mostly because damp ingress / leaks cause such widespread and expensive damage.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/11/2022 10:29

Any renegotiations would have to be for hundreds of thousands - because each of those visible and detectable issues will have caused endless consequential damage. One for experienced developers to buy at auction and fully gut and rebuild, not for a normal householder.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 10/11/2022 10:34

Oh dear. If it’s really nice, it’s one for someone who can afford to get it up to scratch before they live in it. It sounds as if most of the problems are caused by it not
having been very well built in the first place.
( money well spent on the the survey btw. Very thorough job).

GetOffTheRoof · 10/11/2022 10:36

You need at minimum to budget for a full new roof, digging out the garden away from the wall, a full electrical refit, and probably full renovation of the plumbing throughout. You'll also need to budget for all the water damaged ceilings to be taken down to be redone, and no doubt full redecoration throughout.

You will literally be buying the four external walls and then having to pay to remove almost everything else in the house and rebuilding it inside and out.....

Trolleydolly123 · 10/11/2022 10:38

Thank you all, I've just spoken to the surveyor and he has said a lot is cosmetic work (which we knew) and the main worry he would have is water leak on the extension which he thinks is coming in by the skylight window.
He said it requires new consumer unit and some but not all re-wiring, storm drain blocked with broken bits of the drain as its raised and was run over, estimated this at a few hundred £.
He said a lot of the other things are things which could be done over time, he said 'normal doer upper' would be two more steps to finish and this would be 3...?!
He feels we should renegotiate 30k off (around 8%)

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Theradioisoncoco · 10/11/2022 10:39

We need a link obvs

AriettyHomily · 10/11/2022 10:40

I wouldn't touch it!

FixTheBone · 10/11/2022 10:42

Not enough information to base a decision on, but, that's potentially really expensive.

If it's on the market for £500k, but worth £850k in top condition, and you have the luxury of gutting and renovating before you move in - it may be worth it if the end result is a dream house in a good area for schools, commuting, leisure etc.

On the other-hand...

If it's at the limit of your budget, and you plan on doing the work while living there - be prepared for a pretty miserable 10 years of constant renovations.

Trolleydolly123 · 10/11/2022 10:46

Thanks again, you are all so wise this is really helpful.

The 'roof' in question is just extension roof, not the entire roof, he said the rest of the actual roof seems fine and the leak is in one area not in lots of places.

Windows etc dont concern me as we have budgeted to replace anyway, same as consumer unit and storm drain, however the leak/s are a concern.

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mynameiscalypso · 10/11/2022 10:48

I don't think it's horrendous personally but I'd probably want to do the additional checks the survey recommends first.

florentina1 · 10/11/2022 10:56

Apart from all of the other problems the source of the water damage is a major red flag. I know of two properties where the damage has been cause by faults in neighbouring properties. In both cases, the neighbours refused access for inspection and refused to get any work done to their homes.

No matter how much money you invest, you will live with constant damage. Also you may have trouble insuring against water damage if you had prior knowledge of the source the leaks.

SeaToSki · 10/11/2022 10:56

There are so many things that are suspected of leaking or showing damage due to water, poor maintenance etc that I suspect that once you open up the walls you are going to be met with huge quantities of rot, mould and insane expenses. Water damage is the moat expensive and insidious problem in housing, particularly when it has been allowed to go unchecked. It does not sound like the existing owners have done much if any maintenance (otherwise they would have upgraded the consumer unit which sounds like a fire hazard) and so i would expect to find major issues once you open up any walls or the roof.

The only way I would buy it would be if I had budgeted for and wanted to, gut the place for a full scale renovation/restoration.

I have been renovating and building houses for the last 30 years.

smooththecat · 10/11/2022 11:05

Is it is structural survey? It doesn’t mention anything structural, which is where the serious problems begin. If you haven’t had a structural survey, I would do so for peace of mind. Some of it is overly dramatic, typical for survey language. E.g. double glazed units expensive and difficult to repair, you just pay to have them replaced if the rest of the window is in good order, I just had four panels done for £450.

If you want to go ahead I would be getting quotes in for the work needed and start negotiation. Some of it sounds like poor maintenance and poor DIY possibly.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 10/11/2022 11:12

I don’t think it’s that bad.
The stuff about heating etc needing a service and putting it as a 3 will be done even on a brand new house as surveyors are not gas engineers/plumbers or electricians and are not qualified to advise on the condition of these and if you did fuck this up and offer some bad advice best case scenario is you get kicked out of RICS, worst is you get sued. So they cover their arses there.

The roof/pipe work isn’t great but if it’s just the extension, im assuming a flat roof? That’s not a big or expensive job.

Trolleydolly123 · 10/11/2022 11:13

Yes I think there has been little to no maintenance for a few years and lots of things that were started and not finished.

Surveyor said structurally its fine and 'a good house' but obviously water leaks are very very concerning and like someone said unknown damage until we explore further which means throwing money at it with potentially no reward/house at the end.

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Trolleydolly123 · 10/11/2022 11:20

Extension is a pitched roof, not massive, with two skylights, he thinks water is coming in on one skylight.

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