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KylieWasHere · 14/09/2022 07:04

We are planning a small extension but complete ground floor remodelling. We want an architect to design it, and we found one whose work we love. However, I am worried that actually building her work will cost more - she uses a lot of bespoke joinery for windows, benches, etc, and I’m afraid we’ll end up paying over the top for something that won’t add lots of value. We’re ok to pay her fees but really worried she’ll design something super expensive to build. Is this a thing? Has anyone had experience of using a “fancy” architect?

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WoolyMammoth55 · 14/09/2022 22:07

OP, we used a chartered surveyor (RICS) to do our plans.

He definitely added a few madly expensive specs but luckily the project manager went through them all with him and us in our only ever face to face meeting and we found affordable compromises.

I think using a CS for the drawings with a good project manager to deliver it gets you into a sweet spot where the quality is good but the cost is manageable.

FWIW I did my own sketched out plans, my dream extension based on all the lovely ones you've seen and my space, where the light hits at what time etc and where I needed sight of the kids, etc! And then that was the starting point for the conversation with the CS, as well as asking if he had anything else to add/suggest...

Best of luck whatever you decide!

bonechina05 · 01/05/2023 01:43

@BIWI Would you mind let me know your architect's detail ? We are about to do a renovation and are looking for someone to help. Thank you.

BIWI · 01/05/2023 08:34

@bonechina05 This is who we used:

Alison Salt

bonechina05 · 01/05/2023 08:58

@BIWI

Thank you so much. This is what we are doing, click here

Have gone through the process once, what would you do differently if you were to do it again and any useful tips for the process e.g. not to disclose the budget to the architect ?

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BIWI · 01/05/2023 09:36

What I'd do differently:

First, I would have listened to the architect, when she told me she didn't like project management, but then went on to ask her to project manage the thing! We did need someone to manage the project, even though the team of builders was very good - but there were things that she wasn't good at which caused some sticky issues, as she wasn't being assertive enough

Second, although you really do have to be honest about your budget, I would make it very clear that that is the budget and that there isn't any more money. Our architect wanted to use a specific kitchen maker which it should have been obvious to her we weren't going to be able to afford. We ended up using someone she had never used before, which also caused some issues. See my first point.

Third, although you have to be honest about your budget, you will have to accept that sometimes things will cost more, as things will happen that you can't have planned for. For example, when the back wall was being demolished for the extension, we discovered we had a dry rot problem, which obviously had to be fixed. So having a contingency fund will be important. (Rule of thumb, I was told, is roughly 10% of your overall budget Shock)

Fourth, make sure that if your architect is choosing things for you, e.g. any specific fittings, or tiles, or colours, etc, that they have run things past you and you like them. We ended up with a new downstairs bathroom which, although I'm very pleased with, tiles and colours were chosen by her without consulting with us. (No idea how that happened, but it did!)

Fifth - actually probably the most important - is to ensure you have a contract with your builders/architect. We had one which outlined the overall plan, the timetable and also when payments were to be made. From memory, we had one payment up front and then the rest of the payments were scheduled throughout the build. Make sure you have an end date that you have agreed on - although you also have to accept that sometimes delays are unavoidable. However, make sure that the end date is realistic. We had a specific event that we wanted things finished for, but I think because of that, some of the finishing elements were rushed, and then not dealt with that well during snagging.

Sixth, ask your architect/project manager how often they are going to visit the site. For us, Alison lived just round the corner, so she popped in most days, which was very helpful. She was also able to keep a close eye on how things were developing, and to keep talking with the builders.

Seventh, choose your electrical items first and shop around for the best prices. Also, work out which ones you're prepared to compromise on. But also, don't scrimp. My attitude was that as we were only going to do this once, anything that was on my dream list of things, was going to be included! Some things may seem ridiculously expensive (e.g. my Quooker tap), but in the grand scheme of the whole thing, worth paying for.

Eighth, really pore over your designs/plans, and talk through them with the architect/project manager, so you're absolutely clear what's going where, and why some things have/haven't been included. For example, because of where the back wall was taken down for the extension, we lost a power socket, which means that in our living room, we only have power sockets down one side of the room. We also asked for an aerial socket in the kitchen, so we could put a tv in there, but didn't realise that to wire that in to the aerial, which is at the front of the building, we would have had to have the whole of the living room floor taken up. So we have a socket, but it's useless!

Finally, be brutal with the snagging list - don't pay your final bill until everything has been sorted to your satisfaction.

Hope that lengthy essay helps!

bonechina05 · 01/05/2023 12:11

@BIWI

Thank you so much for taking the time sharing your experience - all is clear and well noted.

I will certainly bear in mind all the point and try to implement them as much as I am able. I know it won't be easy as I am not experienced in property refurbishment, and not assertive either. I think for me hiring a project manager / architect / surveyor... to help is the way to go.

Who did you end up using to assist project manage ?

Pearfacebananapoop · 01/05/2023 12:31

Do you have your builder? Ask them to recommend an architect if so it's better if they get on!

We went to a fancy architect first of all, would have been £3k fees and he wanted to do different things to what we wanted. We went to the guy the builder knew, did exactly what we wanted and cost £500!

Ariela · 01/05/2023 14:07

Ask locally for a recommendation for an architect that listens to what you want and draws up plans accordingly. Most architects IME have their own view on things and don't listen. Take pictures of what you like, and show the architect.
But stick to your guns on what you do and don't want.

LondonNQT · 01/05/2023 15:23

The only thing I’d add to BIWI’s fantastic list (as we, touch wood, near the end of our major gutting and multiple extension renovation) would be to plan where absolutely everything will go. Right down to the Christmas trees and the grandfather clock you’re hoping not to inherit but probably will as you married the first born son ;)

I distinctly recall one phone call, in the middle of an important meeting, where my husband wanted to double check that it was okay to change the en-suite pocket door into a standard hinged door (as the former would clash with the light switches planned for that section). My response was that I could begrudgingly make my peace so long as the king sized bed still fitted along that wall, as there was nowhere else in that room it would fit! Cue feverish measuring from the foreman and a bit of a rejig. There were instances like this weekly, so it’s crucial to have everything mapped out as much as possible.

bonechina05 · 01/05/2023 15:35

@Pearfacebananapoop
Thank you for your response. I am most impressed that you had done it so cost effectively. Where are you based? Unfortunately we have no, and don't know any builder 😓. If you are in London, would you mind sharing your builder's details? Thank you.

@Ariela
Thank you for pointing out the importance of finding an architect who listens to what we want .

We actually contacted a couple of architects (via google search) when we first started the process, but they are very expensive for our purpose. Our flat is in a mansion block, there is very little room to do any dramatic changes, neither do we want to. But all their proposals were very elaborate, knocking through walls, opening up here and there and everywhere, flipping rooms etc. etc. We categorically voiced our concerns of the costs and complexity involved, particularly we need to obtain Licence For Alteration from the freeholder and too much structural change will inevitably make things difficult. But non of our concerns seemed to be addressed willingly, and we had to keep fighting our corners, ended up paying quite a lot of money for something of very little value for us.

We resorted doing the plan ourselves.

Reading through the trails in mumsnet such as this, encouraged me to continue my search for a sensible professional that can help us with the project based on what we have already had. This time round, I have no option but to stick to our guns - money is draining away fast 😡and we have no more money to waste.

bonechina05 · 01/05/2023 15:55

@LondonNQT

I know exactly what you mean. We plan to have pocket doors to our ensuite and main bathroom to save space. Possible interference with sockets, switches and feeding pipes going up the stud walls are all in our consideration, hence thought it better to get all these details drawn out on paper so they will not be overlooked.

I am so glad to have met everyone here who had gone through the process with valuable experiences to share.

BIWI · 01/05/2023 16:34

I absolutely agree about the importance of finding an architect who listens to you and what you want. I had a couple come round initially - talked through what I wanted. One gave me a very glossy brochure and then never came back. The other one clearly wanted to replicate all the extensions he'd been doing locally, even though I'd said that wasn't what I wanted!

Ariela · 01/05/2023 16:55

I paid for an architect who didn't understand the concept of one main thing I told him: I hate cleaning loos, and feel there is no need for more than 1 ensuite and a family bathroom if you have a downstairs loo anyway in a 4 bed house. Similarly why knock walls around or move the expensive stuff (plumbing, drainage) just stick to what's there and build around it = cheaper

justasking111 · 05/05/2023 08:40

DS is an architect. He's very sought after I think because he listens to you. That's his nature and clients appreciate it. He expects you to change your mind about things. He also goes through the builders quotation thoroughly and will call them in to advise. Sometimes builders underquote and then get in a pickle, he talks them through that.

Builders recommend him to clients because he's trusted. Unfortunately he's working seven days a week at the moment because he has so much on. So asking a builder is a good idea.

So if you get a feeling that your architect is going to be a pain in the ass and run away budget wise find another one.

justasking111 · 05/05/2023 08:43

Oh and don't worry about finding a local architect. I know a team of architects in North Yorkshire who work all over the south east including London. They're very good and less expensive.

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