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Need advice FTB purchase issues.

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BBParents · 20/08/2022 12:54

Hi everyone. My partner and I are FTB's and are really in need of some advice about our purchase.

We started the purchase process for this house in April of 2021. The house was marketed at an asking price of £425,000. We felt the house was worth the asking price at the time given what we had seen and the garden size as well. However, when it the searches came back and our solicitor looked at the titles, it turned out there was about 1/3rd of the garden space did not actually belong to the seller. From gathering historical satellite images, we found that he had extended his garden boundary out about 6 years ago, and belt decking on the entire area, land which was not his. None of this had been declared to us at the start of the property purchase by the seller or the estate agent, as if we had known, I do not think the property would have been able to ask for the £425k price tag, and our offer probably would have maxed out around £410k.

At the time we were still in a position to have benefitted from the stamp duty holiday, which would have been somewhere around £7k. With this issue cropping up, our solicitor advised that we look to get an adverse possession application filed from the seller’s side and see if they can get the land as part of the sale, rather than re-negotiate the price down which we felt the seller would unlikely do anyway. We waited months at this stage, and our mortgage offer also expired, so the original 1.25% rate or something along those lines was lost, and we moved to 1.6%, which still was not too bad. The land registry eventually responded, and that land had then been registered as leasehold by the land registry rather than freehold, and it turns out that this was due to some incompetence on the sellers’ solicitors’ part, as they had filed the application incorrectly, as there was notice periods to wait out, this was a long process, so it took us to around March 22. At this point, our solicitor advised that this is not ideal, and it would be best to get this sorted out before proceeding.

Once again, the seller’s solicitor files the application for freehold adverse possession, correctly this time. We had also been in touch with our MP to try aid the process to see if things could be worked a bit quicker, given how long the land registry had taken last time. We initially heard back that the council had filed a formal objection against the adverse possession application. So, the seller’s solicitor tried entering negotiations with the council to see if they could get a hold of the land. We had a response from our MP, regarding what the council responded to them. They essentially said they would be unwilling to sell that portion of the land to anyone, as it had specific uses, as it forms part of land which connects to a business park at the back of the property. A similar response had gone out to the seller, this was now about 3-4 weeks ago, and we had not heard from the seller or their solicitor. At this stage, we had to renew our mortgage offer again, and are on a rate of around 2.5%. Which has doubled to when we started, but still not in unmanageable territory.

This week (Aug 22) we received a response from the seller’s solicitor. They advised that the council would be unwilling to negotiate the sale of the land. Along with this, the seller is now saying that he wants to re-negotiate the price that we are paying for the property due to market changes over the last year and wants £475,000 as the asking price. We have felt slightly outraged and upset, given the property was misrepresented to us at the start of the process, by both the seller and their estate agent. We understand the market has changed, but equally, our mortgage is about to expire again, and we now would be moving to a rate probably around 4% or 4.5%+ if another rate increase hits next month. The market is also going to start undergoing a bit of a change with the new shift in interest rates, and additional rises on the horizon, as well as the country heading towards recession. We discussed and would possibly be willing to move to an offer of £440,000 at most. The house feels lost to us though, as I feel the seller has been shady from the start, and is now trying to squeeze us for more, when we were going to have to consider renegotiating anyway given the property lost a significant chunk of land from the garden.

Your guy’s advice on the general situation and possibly on how to handle the negotiation would be greatly appreciated, as right now I feel like dropping the purchase altogether due to the frustration, and time wasted. I remain here and ask for advice as this house certainly felt like “the one” for us, which is why we held on for so long, and I think the seller is clearly aware that we love the house.

Thank You All.

OP posts:
NighghtmareNeighbour · 20/08/2022 13:00

Personally I’d be walking away, however much I loved the place. If he’s been that shady on this, then I’d imagine there’s all sorts of others things you might find once you are in. What a wanker. I’m really sorry he’s out you through all this op.

Ilikewinter · 20/08/2022 13:02

Oh wow, well youve certainly been patient! .
Have you kept an eye on the market, is there anything else that you would offer on?, or is this absolutely the only house you want ..... if so then I guess you can only offer more but personally I think hes taking the mick, afterall he knew he didnt own that land and youve known for 3-4 weeks that the council wont sell it and yet his solicitor has kept you waiting.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 20/08/2022 13:04

Walk away.

Isonthecase · 20/08/2022 13:05

Why on earth would you risk buying a house from someone who lied about something so crucial? No chance there's not other things you'll find out down the line.

MeridianGrey · 20/08/2022 13:06

I would walk away.

Willdoitlater · 20/08/2022 13:07

I would walk away. I'm so sorry for you, but in a quickly rising market, if a sale falls through, FTBs often find they can no longer afford similar properties. It's happened to many people I know. It could be a lucky escape as the seller has not been entirely honest with you . In any case a house that backs onto a business park and land that the council wants to use, is not in a great location. It could suffer from all sorts of nuisance.

ArtOfTheImpossible · 20/08/2022 13:07

Walk away

Seeingadistance · 20/08/2022 13:29

I’d walk away.

Sorry, OP, but I’m sure with a fresh start you’ll find somewhere else that you’ll love and with none of these problems.

tithead22 · 20/08/2022 13:32

You have the patience of a saint! I’d have walked away ages ago. The vendor is practically waving the red flags in your face - he’s not to be trusted!

Els1e · 20/08/2022 13:41

Another vote for walking away.

goshy · 20/08/2022 13:44

Walk away I know it's hard as you are invested but not worth it at all.

MoveOnTheCards · 20/08/2022 13:44

Yup, walk away. You’ve been seriously (and knowingly) misled about this and will now be paying a premium regardless due to the increasing interest rates and stamp duty.

I would have ditched this one about a year ago, tbh.

Good luck with your new search.

goshy · 20/08/2022 13:48

It will be interesting if he gets the higher price what with the rising interest rates.

EluneBePraised · 20/08/2022 13:54

He is, as they say on here, a cheeky fucker. You're kept hanging for months with an issue of his own making then demands extra cash from you? What a brass neck he has on him.

SparrowsNest · 20/08/2022 13:56

Walk away

Threelittlelambs · 20/08/2022 14:01

Rising interest usually means falling or static property prices as it impacts what people are willing to pay/afford.

I would look round other properties and I would suggest that you speak to a solicitor about getting some money back for searches etc - I hope the council charge him and make him remove the decking.

Bellyups · 20/08/2022 14:04

Christ! Walk away! Can’t believe you’ve been hanging for so long!!

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 20/08/2022 14:15

Don’t buy a house from a fraudster. What else has he got up his sleeve? You will not have an easy ride from here, and he will probably mass about when the time comes to leave ( speaking as someone whose vendor took the door knobs!)

MadeForThis · 20/08/2022 14:35

Walk away. The council have refused the sale. They will seek to squire that land and he will need to return it to how it previously was.

They can no longer market the house with the full size garden let the house go and let the seller deal with the consequences.

cruisecrazy · 20/08/2022 15:50

Walk away. What other little scams has the vendor got up his sleeve. You are just buying trouble. Good luck in your search there is something better out there waiting for you.

Paranoidandroidmarvin · 20/08/2022 16:06

I would have walked away ages ago.

Summersdreaming · 20/08/2022 16:14

I would have walked away last summer, annoyingly he will probably get a bit more for it even with the garden issue but you need to try and snap another house up quickly before mortgage rates go up any further, don't dither!!

LiberteEgaliteBeyonce · 20/08/2022 16:21

Shady as can be. I would cut my losses now. What else are you going to find there? Could be things like illegal extension or unauthorised loft conversion.
You are dealing with a honest person, another vote for walk away.

passport123 · 20/08/2022 16:22

Walk away. You should have done that ages ago.

NoSquirrels · 20/08/2022 16:25

Sunk costs fallacy.

Walk away ASAP. (Try not to regret not walking when you first discovered the land issue.)

Find new and better house. (You will.)

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