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Is this normal practice for buyer
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tottielottie · 15/08/2022 13:05

I have had an offer from FTB who has managed to negotiate me down and had multiple viewings about 5 so far to show every one of her family members. I am not practised in buying and selling and feel a bit alone with what is best to do. This delay or multiple visits means my flat has been in for a while.

She also said to the estate agent that me putting the money down means my place isn't worth that much!

A man put a smart meter in put a sign up saying the consumer unit could be changed not urgent and it would cost about £150.

Her level 3 surveyor (who upsells his services) came round and said that the whole place needs rewiring because he didn't notice the pre payment meter had run out of money and saw the sign the smart meter man left.
He also put in the report he tried to rip up my flooring. He also left all my blinds up and cupboard doors open and ripped my wallpaper.

My solicitor has said that her solicitor is being a naughty asking me to pay for things like gas safety tests and more etc and that I should refuse.

Now the estate agent said that she wants another visit this week and getting in a builder, plumber and electrician for quotes. He said this is a good sign.

Is this normal to do before exchange? Also should I be there to supervise this time.

Please help!

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Wiglio · 15/08/2022 13:11

I would re-list it OP, the demands and repeated viewings are v unreasonable and they won’t stop

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Stomacharmeleon · 15/08/2022 13:13

I would also be complaining about surveyor!

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Hummingbird33 · 15/08/2022 13:14

I think I'd tell her no more now, she can take it or leave it. This is not normal and you've already reduced the price so what is she expecting.

Also if the surveyor caused damage you should send them a bill for repairs.

Definitely don't let anyone in to quote without you there. They'll have to come when it's convenient for you, if you allow it.

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MaggieFS · 15/08/2022 13:16

The problem with first time buyers is that they have no frame of reference so pretty much anything goes!

The main question for you, is how hard was it to find a buyer at a price you were willing to accept?

On paper, wanting builders in for quotes etc. is a good sign a buyer wants to get in with things and is actively thinking about moving in.

However in this case, if the buyer is being awkward over things (I couldn't understand the details of who said what and what any issues are) then I think you would be reasonable to say that you've already accommodated five viewing which is quite disruptive, and you are happy for her to come for one more viewing at the point of exchange, but won't be able, to have any more viewing prior to exchange.

She may well say though that she needs quotes to ensure affordability if she's planning works. Which might mean she's rethinking the value.

I don't think it's abnormal or unreasonable but it does sound a bit of a PITA so say no if you want to and are happy she may walk away.

After exchange, it would be gracious of you to allow builders in ONCE for quotes.

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tottielottie · 15/08/2022 13:26

Aaargh this is making me feel very nervous.

The thing is now the flat has been advertised for 2 months so she has lost me the fresh listing etc.

I know she list out on at least 2 flat before mine as she was offering too low as the estate agent told me that.

My solicitor is in hospital at the moment so I have been trying to get answers to their queries.

I really don't want to lose this buyer but if this is an attempt to re-negotiate I will have to draw the line.

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godmum56 · 15/08/2022 13:28

she's not a buyer she's a pain in the arse

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disneylover367 · 15/08/2022 13:42

A big fat no, Ive just sold and went with the highest offer (she wanted white goods, sofa and curtains) fine by me as less to move and Ive moved back in with parents whilst I find somewhere.

My estate agent said to her that they don't expect any revised offers after survey, she asked for another viewing with her Gran which I agreed to due to her personal circumstances. Estate agent said I was under no obligation to agree and they would be in and out in under 15 mins and I chose the date and time.

No way would I agree to several work people traipsing in and out and then waiting for quotes. The house is being sold as seen and she has had a survey so end of. I would also be really pissed of about wallpaper and make it known, but then I admit Im fussy about stuff like that!

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Newhousecrying · 15/08/2022 13:47

5 viewings!! We felt lucky to be able to get 2!

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tottielottie · 15/08/2022 13:56

So my solicitor seems to think it is a positive and it will look like I have something to hide otherwise. He also said she will probably walk if I do t agree to it.

Plus he said it means she is saving me the expense of doing the gas electric safety expenses that they were asking me to pay for.

I don't really want to be there when she is there with the work men, as I don't want her to start asking me millions of questions. I line the professionals to deal with things. At the same time though I want to be there!

I have been very bloody patient!

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TheRaindanceWorked · 15/08/2022 14:01

I would only permit trades people in after exchange of contracts. There is nothing legally binding her to the purchase yet and she could just be a complete time waster.

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crosstalk · 15/08/2022 14:02

I'd say she was taking the piss. Presumably she has had your property information form? So information like boiler checks etc would be on it - though not electrical check etc. I suspect she is gearing up to say "it'll cost me x y z to rewire, replace radiators, redo floor etc, so I'm going to offer you £20000 less than my low offer." Knock it on the head now and relist. And I hope you haven't agreed to take it off the market for her? I'd do that for someone who offered asking price and a straightforward exchange.

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Kennykenkencat · 15/08/2022 14:06

I would tell her that until contracts are exchanged the place will remain on the open market. Obviously she is further down the road to being able to exchange she can go ahead with her purchase.
If someone else comes along then she will lose out.

Time to shit or get off the pot. Also there will be no workmen coming round as after what her surveyor did you can’t afford the damage

I had 3 FTB’s who wasted the best part of a year dithering over a flat I had. Each one had spent at least £3-4000 on mortgage arrangement fees, surveyors, structural surveyors when the first report came back clear and solicitors fees.
Eventually I put the price up and got a btl landlord who exchanged within a couple of weeks for cash £20k more than any of the FTBs were offering.

I have had a FTB come back to me after months of dithering and then saying No. On the day I had exchanged with a cash purchaser. They acted like they were doing me a favour that they were going to buy my house. The shock that someone had the money, didn’t bother with a survey and could make a decision and get the contracts ready and sign with a fortnight was something else.

I think you will just waste your time and then she will continue to renegotiate and probably offer you less on the morning of exchange.
It is a case of sign or say goodbye.
if you continue to give her time and pander to her demands then there will always be something more

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BlueMongoose · 15/08/2022 14:06

Surveyors are not allowed to do any damage to property without your express permission. They need to cough up to repair any damage they have done.

Rewiring is nothing to do with meters. Have you seen this survey? You aren't entitled to by right, but if they are telling you all this weird stuff about meters and so on, I think I'd want evidence because it doesn't make sense.Normally a surveyor won't say much about electrics unless they are obviously very old- they recommend a wiring test by a qualified electrician.
Gas/electric/damp surveys are 100% at the cost of the buyer, not you; if you have service records, rewiring certificates etc. for work done, you provide those, but that's all. You don't even have to allow inspections by specialists or for estimates for the buyers, though I generally would do provided they didn't involve and actual damage.
IMO you need to tell this buyer to get lost and remarket the property PDQ. Five viewings is totally unreasonable.

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ArcticSkewer · 15/08/2022 14:06

Bet she keeps knocking the price down right up to day of exchange.
What does the market look like?
Personally I wouldn't have accepted her offer, or her 5 viewings, but that's me.
The more you give, with some people, the more they take

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IglesiasPiggl · 15/08/2022 14:07

I would say more normal would be first viewing, second with builder if getting quote for big renovations, offer acceptance and then perhaps third viewing close to exchange or just post exchange to measure for carpets etc. Do not indulge a buyer who wants to show it to separate family members on multiple visits.

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AnneKipankitoo · 15/08/2022 14:08

Yup . Pain.

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that1970shouse · 15/08/2022 14:14

She wants to get quotes and then lower her bid to cover the work. Nope. Don't agree to any more viewings, demand compensation for the Surveyor damage, and give her a short deadline to exchange and complete otherwise the property goes straight back on the market. She is probably frightened by the surveyor's report (they all look scary to the first time buyer) but she needs to bite the bullet and get on with it.

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BlueMongoose · 15/08/2022 14:17

tottielottie · 15/08/2022 13:56

So my solicitor seems to think it is a positive and it will look like I have something to hide otherwise. He also said she will probably walk if I do t agree to it.

Plus he said it means she is saving me the expense of doing the gas electric safety expenses that they were asking me to pay for.

I don't really want to be there when she is there with the work men, as I don't want her to start asking me millions of questions. I line the professionals to deal with things. At the same time though I want to be there!

I have been very bloody patient!

Your solicitor said she is saving you those expenses? She is not 'saving you' those expenses. Those are hers to pay for and hers alone.
Normally I'd allow workmen in to quote etc. but TBH this buyer sounds like a total pill. She's the type to drop her offer on the day of exchange. In your place, I'd tell her she had a week to decide yes or no at the price you have so far accepted, no more viewings, and that no way will you drop it as much as a penny more- if she didn't agree, I'd remarket. And I would make it plain that if I had to do that, I would not entertain any further offers from her.
FTBs are sometimes taking the advice of some twerp of a smart-arse barrack-room lawyer relative who keeps telling them to drop their offer for this, drop their offer for that- not for anything they ought to, but for trivial things, or even false ones. If that is what's happening and you give in, they will just do it again.

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tottielottie · 15/08/2022 14:18

But I already lowered the price after the survey. So do you all think she wanted to lower again?

The solo seems to think I should let her and the estate agent says it's a good sign.

And yes I did take it off the market for her.

So now if I have to put it back on the market will that mean it looks like I have a place that no one wants?

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ArcticSkewer · 15/08/2022 14:20

tottielottie · 15/08/2022 14:18

But I already lowered the price after the survey. So do you all think she wanted to lower again?

The solo seems to think I should let her and the estate agent says it's a good sign.

And yes I did take it off the market for her.

So now if I have to put it back on the market will that mean it looks like I have a place that no one wants?

Yeah we all think she's going to screw you over with a further last minute price reduction

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tottielottie · 15/08/2022 14:22

So why the hell is my bloody solicitor and estate agent telling me to go along with it?

I feel sick with nerves now

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LadyDanburysHat · 15/08/2022 14:24

So now if I have to put it back on the market will that mean it looks like I have a place that no one wants?

@tottielottie don't worry about this. Two houses local to me have both gone back on the market recently, and it was because the buyers were not proceedable. They then sold again immediately. It won't reflect badly on your property.

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tottielottie · 15/08/2022 14:26

Well the estate agents have not taken it off Rightmove or put sold up as they said they like to keep getting enquiries in. But I think they did stop viewings.

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WonderingWanda · 15/08/2022 14:29

Tell her that she can get as many quotes as she likes but you won't be altering the price or carrying out further repairs. House is sold as seen it's up to her to decide if she can afford to proceed but also put it back on the market just in case she doesn't.

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tottielottie · 15/08/2022 14:31

So my solicitor just said that 7 freaking viewing is not normal and that people trying to rip up my floors is horrendous!

He is aghast too now! He said that let her in but damages have to be paid for.

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