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Am I catastrophising about the market right now?

39 replies

Gentleness · 10/08/2022 18:06

We really need to move but are in paralysis because everything looks like doom. I keep thinking we could just manage to stay put, no mortgage so very secure, but nowhere near enough space.

Basically, I'm in a bit of a panic and feeling stupid that we didn't just get on with during lockdowns because of the craziness over stamp duty. I thought it would all settle down... Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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Gentleness · 10/08/2022 18:32

Bumping because I've got myself in a bit of a twist about it today, sorry

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PointersPlease · 10/08/2022 18:36

I think people will always need to move. We are in the same position and have decided to accept a low offer on our house in order to be in a position to get going. Unfortunately the house we really wanted went to different buyers and I'm finding that a bit tough. But none of us really know whats going to happen and if you need to move I'd just get started.

Gentleness · 10/08/2022 18:43

Thanks, better to start I think, so I need to find a way beyond this brain freeze. Stopping listening to the news might be a good start...

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PointersPlease · 10/08/2022 19:11

Get a valuation and take it from there.. i found it hard to press go on actually putting it on the market and now wish i hadn't waited till the summer as it immediately went totally quiet!

Darkness22 · 10/08/2022 19:17

Enjoy being mortgage free for a bit longer! Everything will come right eventually.

sarahb083 · 10/08/2022 19:22

What specifically are you worried about? House prices are high, but it cancels itself out in a way if you're buying and also selling. Interest rates aren't particularly high, I think they'll get higher in the next year or so, so it's not a bad time to buy.

Twiglets1 · 10/08/2022 22:00

You’ve been procrastinating for years and still are. You don’t need permission from people on MN to move house. No one can tell you nothing will go wrong because life is full of risk but if your house is too small and you can afford it, why all the hesitation?

Calmdown14 · 10/08/2022 23:12

Can you define "too small"? Is multiple children in same room or 'I'd like a bigger kitchen '?

I.e how big is the push? Is your current house in a good location?

If you don't have to move, I'd have a big clear out and invest in really good storage.

I can't see how things won't slow down. Right now there's a push to get things through on the lower mortgage rates already secured

Gentleness · 11/08/2022 16:36

I'm mainly worried about interest rates soaring and buying at market peak.

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goldenbag · 11/08/2022 17:37

Personally I would not move now unless money were no object - either I was rich (which I certainly am not) or needed a small mortgage which could be heavily stress-tested.

kirinm · 11/08/2022 20:20

Gentleness · 11/08/2022 16:36

I'm mainly worried about interest rates soaring and buying at market peak.

This is our position. We've been able to pay down our current mortgage due to inheritance and we've been intending to move for a while now but hadn't quite finished the place. Now we have and I'm not sure if we should just wait given that our mortgage payments are now so low or just move because we need the space and really want to move.

I think we are going to test the market. If we get any interest we will get a AIP and see what sort of interest rates we are looking at.

oiltrader · 12/08/2022 08:44

Gentleness · 11/08/2022 16:36

I'm mainly worried about interest rates soaring and buying at market peak.

the market peak was 2 months ago. prices only going one way

kirinm · 12/08/2022 10:48

Can you copy and paste that article as I can only read the headline

Mildura · 12/08/2022 11:01

Timing the market is less important than time in the market.

rainingsnoring · 12/08/2022 11:06

Gentleness · 11/08/2022 16:36

I'm mainly worried about interest rates soaring and buying at market peak.

If that is your main worry and you are upsizing then I would wait. I think we are just past peak market now and prices will stagnate and fall or possibly fall very significantly depending on what happens economically.

oiltrader · 12/08/2022 11:19

kirinm · 12/08/2022 10:48

Can you copy and paste that article as I can only read the headline

House price falls are imminent as soaring mortgage rates and spiralling living costs finally catch up with the housing market, experts have warned.
The crunch point will hit at the end of this year and bring a year-long downturn in 2023, with prices falling by 4pc, according to the Centre for Economics and Business Research, an analytics firm.

But the hit could be far worse if the looming recession brings soaring unemployment, while ever-increasing inflation pushes the Bank of England to continue raising interest rates.
Andrew Wishart, of Capital Economics, a research firm, said: “The historical record shows that increases in interest rates of the scale that we are seeing now are always a precursor of house price falls.”
Capital Economics has forecast a two-year property market downturn, with price falls of between 5pc and 10pc by the end of 2024.
Whatever happens, the blow will be unequal – with certain areas and parts of the market hit far worse than others.

Transactions are going to tank
Estate agents are feeling pessimistic about the state of the market. In July, their expectations of property sales over the next 12 months reached the lowest level since March 2020, according to the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors, a trade body. That was when the housing market was shut down for the first time in history.
Excluding that lockdown low, the July forecast was the worst on record in the Rics dataset, which goes back to 2012.
This followed three consecutive months of plunging buyer inquiries. Agents expect house prices will flatline over the next three months.
As mortgage rates continue to rise, the market will slow. Richard Donnell, of property website Zoopla, said: “The biggest casualty will be turnover.” He has forecast that in 2023 there will be around 1.1 million transactions, which is 200,000 fewer than this year.
“Transactions will fall, and then I think it will take six months for sellers to realise and for asking prices to come down,” said Mr Donnell. “I just think everything will flatline. Next year I think we will see house price growth at 0pc, or maybe falls of 1pc or 2pc.” In some areas, the drops could be closer to 5pc, he added.

First-time buyers will be wiped out
Sales are already falling fast – but only at the lower end of the market. In July, agreed sales of homes worth less than £100,000, and those worth between £100,000 and £200,000 collapsed. Compared to 2019, each price bracket recorded a drop of 33pc and 20pc respectively, according to data from TwentyCi, an analytics firm.
London and the South East will be worst hit
Any house price falls will be focused in certain areas, where people’s finances are more stretched by mortgage repayments and rising energy bills are eating up a greater proportion of disposable income.
Martin Beck, of the EY Item Club, an economic forecaster, said: “There is a distinction between first-time buyers and older homeowners. The pain of the cost of living crisis will really be felt by lower income groups.”
More expensive properties, whose buyers are less dependent on the mortgage market and who have more savings, are more likely to hold their value. “But the properties for first-time buyers might see outright falls,” said Mr Beck.
The areas where affordability is already most stretched – namely London and the South East – are the areas that are most dependent on mortgage lending and are therefore the places likely to see the biggest property market slowdowns, said Mr Donnell.
“Inner London boroughs have already been underperforming. In real terms, prices in London are falling at speed,” said Mr Donnell.

kirinm · 12/08/2022 11:28

Wow, that is a negative article!

I'm not sure I've seen evidence of prices falling at speed in London (or my part of London) yet given that places are being snapped up within days still.

If this article is even close to what is likely to happen, we may stay put although the idea of being in our flat for another 2-3 years is quite depressing.

rainingsnoring · 12/08/2022 12:47

kirinm · 12/08/2022 11:28

Wow, that is a negative article!

I'm not sure I've seen evidence of prices falling at speed in London (or my part of London) yet given that places are being snapped up within days still.

If this article is even close to what is likely to happen, we may stay put although the idea of being in our flat for another 2-3 years is quite depressing.

Personally, I think the outlook for the housing market is very poor, worse than the article suggests. However, if you are miserable in your flat and have inherited money perhaps it is best to just get on with moving somewhere you will fell more contented as long as you don't stretch yourself in the face of rising costs.

Freetodowhatiwant · 12/08/2022 16:28

If you’re miserable in your flat and you have a good chunk of equity I would absolutely move! It’s not like you want to turn something around in two years for a profit. You will still have the same amount of ‘cash’ even with a lesser LVT and you will have a nicer place to live. If prices go down they will always eventually go back up again. I’ve bought just before a crash before (2007) and now have a good amount of equity in that flat.

sst1234 · 13/08/2022 11:57

OP, it’s never a bad time to buy. Because, in the long term, property prices only go one way - up. That has been true since the dawn of time.

sst1234 · 13/08/2022 12:02

oiltrader · 12/08/2022 11:19

House price falls are imminent as soaring mortgage rates and spiralling living costs finally catch up with the housing market, experts have warned.
The crunch point will hit at the end of this year and bring a year-long downturn in 2023, with prices falling by 4pc, according to the Centre for Economics and Business Research, an analytics firm.

But the hit could be far worse if the looming recession brings soaring unemployment, while ever-increasing inflation pushes the Bank of England to continue raising interest rates.
Andrew Wishart, of Capital Economics, a research firm, said: “The historical record shows that increases in interest rates of the scale that we are seeing now are always a precursor of house price falls.”
Capital Economics has forecast a two-year property market downturn, with price falls of between 5pc and 10pc by the end of 2024.
Whatever happens, the blow will be unequal – with certain areas and parts of the market hit far worse than others.

Transactions are going to tank
Estate agents are feeling pessimistic about the state of the market. In July, their expectations of property sales over the next 12 months reached the lowest level since March 2020, according to the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors, a trade body. That was when the housing market was shut down for the first time in history.
Excluding that lockdown low, the July forecast was the worst on record in the Rics dataset, which goes back to 2012.
This followed three consecutive months of plunging buyer inquiries. Agents expect house prices will flatline over the next three months.
As mortgage rates continue to rise, the market will slow. Richard Donnell, of property website Zoopla, said: “The biggest casualty will be turnover.” He has forecast that in 2023 there will be around 1.1 million transactions, which is 200,000 fewer than this year.
“Transactions will fall, and then I think it will take six months for sellers to realise and for asking prices to come down,” said Mr Donnell. “I just think everything will flatline. Next year I think we will see house price growth at 0pc, or maybe falls of 1pc or 2pc.” In some areas, the drops could be closer to 5pc, he added.

First-time buyers will be wiped out
Sales are already falling fast – but only at the lower end of the market. In July, agreed sales of homes worth less than £100,000, and those worth between £100,000 and £200,000 collapsed. Compared to 2019, each price bracket recorded a drop of 33pc and 20pc respectively, according to data from TwentyCi, an analytics firm.
London and the South East will be worst hit
Any house price falls will be focused in certain areas, where people’s finances are more stretched by mortgage repayments and rising energy bills are eating up a greater proportion of disposable income.
Martin Beck, of the EY Item Club, an economic forecaster, said: “There is a distinction between first-time buyers and older homeowners. The pain of the cost of living crisis will really be felt by lower income groups.”
More expensive properties, whose buyers are less dependent on the mortgage market and who have more savings, are more likely to hold their value. “But the properties for first-time buyers might see outright falls,” said Mr Beck.
The areas where affordability is already most stretched – namely London and the South East – are the areas that are most dependent on mortgage lending and are therefore the places likely to see the biggest property market slowdowns, said Mr Donnell.
“Inner London boroughs have already been underperforming. In real terms, prices in London are falling at speed,” said Mr Donnell.

That’s a lot of words to basically give bad advice. Maybe you weren’t around in 2008. As far as housing market goes, that was nothing short of catastrophic. Yet people who bought in 2007, made a good decisions.

Seriously, advice like this is so bad. People who hold off buying because of the ‘imminent’ crash, mostly live to regret it.

The primary law or pricing is supply and demand. Unless this poster knows a secret about 2 million homes about to be built in the UK, they used up a load of words to say tosh.

HappyHappyHermit · 13/08/2022 12:03

The doom mongering around the property market is always one for the paper's, but they always come back up. If you feel the need to buy now but plan to stay there long term it won't make much difference. Around here there hasn't been any drop yet, I think it will slow and then drop a bit then start recovering in not all that long. People will always need homes and there are more and more people, meaning more homes are needed.

HappyHappyHermit · 13/08/2022 12:07

*papers, not sure why that is an autocorrect.

Hobele · 13/08/2022 12:12

Nothing can be more expensive than paying rent. You're not accumulating any equity.

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