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Would you classify this as an extension or an orangery/conservatory?

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Cherryblossom200 · 23/07/2022 19:48

Hi,

I'm in the process of putting an extension on the back of my house. Similar to the picture below.

I was thinking today I wonder if I could get the same effect with a conservatory with brick walls and glass and save myself about £20k.

I'm not sure what would be best?

Thanks to anyone who replies 😊

Would you classify this as an extension or an orangery/conservatory?
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Whataretheodds · 23/07/2022 19:51

No this is not an orangery /conservatory. That would involve more glass and less wall/roof.

Cherryblossom200 · 23/07/2022 19:53

Thanks that's what I thought. I don't want it to look like a conservatory tbh.

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KateRusby · 23/07/2022 19:57

A conservatory by definition has doors between the house and glazed part.

Thissucksmonkeynuts · 23/07/2022 19:59

Lean-to extension with sky light.

Cherryblossom200 · 23/07/2022 20:04

Ok thanks for clarifying 😊

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Catmummyof2 · 23/07/2022 20:12

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VeniVidiWeeWee · 23/07/2022 23:04

@KateRusby

No, a conservatory, by definition, is somewhere that is used to preserve cold tender plants over winter.

SpidersAreShitheads · 24/07/2022 04:59

@Cherryblossom200 Have you considered a modular extension? They're quicker and cheaper than a traditional extension and you can easily achieve that kind of look? You can render with bricks if you want it to look like a traditional build. And with modern modular extensions you can still get a mortgage etc.

We're doing a fairly big extension on a house we've just purchased and we will absolutely be doing a modular build. About 20% cheaper, it's a fixed price and only a couple of weeks on site to put it in place.

Flutterby0 · 24/07/2022 06:03

@SpidersAreShitheads I hadn’t heard of modular extensions before. They sound really interesting. I got a quote for a small kitchen extension that was so high. I wonder if they are very hot? Did you find a particular company? Has anyone had one done to give their viewpoint?

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 24/07/2022 06:22

VeniVidiWeeWee · 23/07/2022 23:04

@KateRusby

No, a conservatory, by definition, is somewhere that is used to preserve cold tender plants over winter.

So it's not an orangery either - no oranges growing in there! 😁

SpidersAreShitheads · 24/07/2022 08:26

Flutterby0 · 24/07/2022 06:03

@SpidersAreShitheads I hadn’t heard of modular extensions before. They sound really interesting. I got a quote for a small kitchen extension that was so high. I wonder if they are very hot? Did you find a particular company? Has anyone had one done to give their viewpoint?

@Flutterby0 I couldn’t find anyone on MN who had one but I found quite a few people on a FB renovation site and their reviews were excellent. Thermal performance is better with modular builds, so cooler in summer and warmer in winter.

I gather that although it’s still not common over here, in other countries these styles of houses are extremely common - more so than traditional bricks!!

I haven’t 100% settled on a company yet but I’m fairly certain I’m going to use Vita Modular. I’ve had a few emails back and forth and their attention to detail plus strict adherence to building regs etc really draws me to them. They’ve got their own architect and handle the building regs. And also they’re “proper” builders too so they can do any ancillary building work. Some of the other companies I’ve spoken to will only put up the modular extension. We need a knock through and steels, and Vita Modular can do that for me too. I’ve not started yet as we’re waiting for planning permission but so far, they’re head and shoulders above the rest. If you want more info, feel free to DM me - I’m happy to show you the email replies from them if it helps 🙂

I know this sounds like an advert btw 😂😂😂😂 I promise I’m nothing to do with them. We’ve had a really shitty time with a piss poor architect, a nightmare solicitor whose cockup meant we had to withdraw from the mortgage, and a lender who were difficult and also screwed up. I’m so bloody relieved to have a professional to talk to that actually answers emails and seems to know their stuff 😂😂

For balance, you could also look at Eazybase. Nice guy on the phone but Vita Modular set out a whole email re building regs and process, and were just really meticulous with the detail. In contrast Eazybase guy literally sent me a three line email with the quote. They’re slightly cheaper than Vita (but not by a lot) but their lack of detail and what seemed like a lackadaisical approach made me rule them out. They might be great - but I like details 😂😂

KateRusby · 24/07/2022 12:57

VeniVidiWeeWee · 23/07/2022 23:04

@KateRusby

No, a conservatory, by definition, is somewhere that is used to preserve cold tender plants over winter.

Fair play. I meant in terms of building regs 🙄

Cherryblossom200 · 24/07/2022 16:20

Hi there,

I'm quite interested in the modular extensions. But I'm slightly confused what the difference is between modular and a normal extension. My drawings have already done. Not sure if that will affect things, but I guess if they can match what I want and it will look the same and I save money then it's a mo brainer!

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SpidersAreShitheads · 25/07/2022 06:30

Cherryblossom200 · 24/07/2022 16:20

Hi there,

I'm quite interested in the modular extensions. But I'm slightly confused what the difference is between modular and a normal extension. My drawings have already done. Not sure if that will affect things, but I guess if they can match what I want and it will look the same and I save money then it's a mo brainer!

@Cherryblossom200 I categorically am not an expert but I'll share what I've found out so far.

We have bought a traditional brick built house - we need to extend to create an annexe and make the main house bigger (making an annexe for elderly DM). I had concerns over costs - everyone told me to budget for at least 15% more as it never costs what is quoted - and also the length of time. My DM is disabled and I have 2 disabled DC who don't deal well with change/noise/people.

I hadn't heard of modular builds (which are sometimes also described as prefabs but not the same type as was found in the 1950s etc). We used an architect and a structural engineer to draw up plans and technical specs, and then submitted everything for planning permission. This is where we're at now, awaiting the outcome.

I had found a builder, or so I thought, but he started acting really weird and took 3 weeks to come back to me with an answer to a few simple questions about his quote. I'm honestly at my limit with people dicking me around so I thought screw this, and started to look for another builder. And that's when I discovered modular builds.

You can have a whole house as a modular build, or just an extension. There are different types of modular builds - the one we're going for is made with a galvanised steel frame, and steel foundations. Soundproofing and thermal insulation are both excellent. We're having a kitchen in part of our extension - the walls are strong, and you can mount whatever you need on the wall, just like a regular build. You can have bifold and roof lanterns, and all the things you might normally want in an extension.

The company comes out to do a survey first and they'll liaise with buildings regs inspector. Planning permission doesn't really make a difference in so much as whether you do a traditional build or a modular build, it doesn't make a difference to planning. It's the buildings regs guy that makes a difference and he doesn't normally get involved until after you've got planning permission.

Once they've done their survey and got approval from buildings regs, they make the panels in their factory and this is then shipped to your home. This is why it's quicker to install - the whole extension should take no longer than 2-4 weeks once they're on site and putting it together. The outside can be rendered how you want - we will probably go for brick slip so it matches the main house and looks like a traditional build.

The price includes VAT, electrics, paint, floorings, plugs, finishes etc and you can configure what you want and where.

Obviously this is a non-standard construction which will make some people nervous. But it's not like the older types of non-standard construction - these should be fully mortgageable because they come with the same building warranties etc that a brick built extension does. Overseas in Europe and the US, this type of construction is really really common, it's just here in the UK we're a bit slow on the uptake!

Cost is fixed so there's no need to have a big "just in case" budget set to one side as you normally would with a build. Apparently it can go up in pretty much all weathers too, so if it's a winter build there's no delays.

Ummm......trying to think what else I've learnt that might be useful!! I've spoken to quite a few people who have one of these, and I've asked the guy at the company an absolute TON of difficult questions and he's been brilliant at explaining it all to someone like me who knows naff all. I think they estimate it to be 20-25% cheaper than a traditional build.

All of this comes with the caveat that I've not had mine built just yet but it's definitely the way we're going to proceed. Such a short period of disruption is infinitely preferable for my mum and DC, and the cheaper cost is very helpful too!!

If there's anything else you want to know, just ask - I have BOMBARDED the poor bloke with questions so there's a good chance I might have the answer!

carefullycourageous · 25/07/2022 06:32

KateRusby · 23/07/2022 19:57

A conservatory by definition has doors between the house and glazed part.

Yes this. A very important distinction in planning terms.

Cherryblossom200 · 25/07/2022 07:42

Spiders, thank you so much for such a detailed explanation, it does sound so impressive! However I think I'm going to stick with a traditional extension. I think I'm too far ahead with my plans already and the design I've gone for realistically is a traditional extension.

Thank you again 😊

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Seeline · 25/07/2022 13:09

carefullycourageous · 25/07/2022 06:32

Yes this. A very important distinction in planning terms.

It has absolutely nothing to do with planning. Anything added onto a house that increases it's volume is an extension in planning terms, and may or may not require planning permission.

I think you may mean Building Regulations, but I am no expert in that area.

Catmummyof2 · 30/07/2022 10:55

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Cherryblossom200 · 30/07/2022 19:01

I popped into a local company to discuss my roof/glass. And they pretty much had what I am looking for in their showroom. I've now decided on having two long rectangular glass panels sitting next to one another but with roof in between them. So less glass panels stretching right across the roof like in the original design. This way I can get spot lights in between, they are slightly recessed too.

It looked amazing. Really contemporary. I don't like the look of velux windows they look too much like loft windows. For my kitchen extension the roof panels are what I want.

But interestingly the company said I could get this look under that they classify as a conservatory. They could do it for me cheaper that the cost of a traditional extension. My initial concern was obviously build quality, foundation etc. But it appears there isn't much in it in. I am already having what is classed as a conservatory roof, just with brick walls on the side. They can build the same thing for me but it would be classed aa a conservatory, event though it looks like an extension.

It's something I'm looking into. I'm not going to pay a traditional builder to build the same thing for me and pay possibly £10k over more!

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Seeline · 31/07/2022 10:57

Don't forget that under the planning rules it makes no difference if it is a conservatory. It is still an extension and may require planning permission, regardless of its status under the building regs.

bluegardenflowers · 31/07/2022 11:08

Looks like an extension.

Cherryblossom200 · 31/07/2022 13:03

I already have planning permission for an extension.

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SpidersAreShitheads · 31/07/2022 14:15

That sounds like a great outcome @Cherryblossom200 - fab update!! 😊

Seeline · 31/07/2022 14:28

Cherryblossom200 · 31/07/2022 13:03

I already have planning permission for an extension.

But if you are changing the design/appearance you will need to at least apply for an amendment. PP will be for what was shown in the plans accompanying your application. There is usually a condition on the PP requiring the development to be completed in accordance with the approved plans.

Cherryblossom200 · 31/07/2022 15:52

The appearance will be exactly the same as what I applied for. Just one glass panel less on r roof which doesn't affect the planning application. Mine comes under permitted development, the actual bare bones of the building remains the same.

But my building reg drawings have to change slightly as less glass.

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