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Kitchen layout ideas - anyone fancy a REAL challenge?

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crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 11:38

Do we need an architect/a kitchen designer/a good builder or a psychiatrist? I have no idea what to say to kitchen designers. I am not sure they will believe me how bonkers the room is.

We're not in a massive rush. Lived with it for 17 years already but it is really starting to grate on me know and not looking forward to another cold winter in there

No idea why we bought it but here we are 17 years later with good schools and transport links and all the amenities we could ask for but a truly nightmare kitchen. Moving isn't a realistic option. Over the 17 years we have sorted the rest of the house but the idea of doing the kitchen and getting it wrong and wasting loads of money terrrifies me. As well as all the disruption.

This will read like an exam for design students. But I promise it is real. Our house is an old end terrace (no foundations as such) with a 100% north facing kitchen.

We've done a few things.
At some stage (before us) the owners put on a small extension across the back of the house. They knocked out the back wall. Leaving a very dark original sitting room more or less enclosed. The extension can't be any larger due to a mains drain running across the back of the house. The kitchen is now about 40metres square but as with old houses nothing is square. The picture attached shows that the room tapers towards the back of the house.

We have since knocked the original wall between the original kitchen and sitting room to open all 3 sections up properly. As a result we lost most of our heat sources. So we put in a log burner in the chimney breast (probably a mistake). In winter the kitchen is freezing unless it is lit. We levelled up the floors and put down cheap vinyl as a temporary measure.

We've booked a few kitchen design appointments for the next few weeks. I'm hoping they will suggest things but I think they will want me to have some ideas.

The little utility room needs to stay but I want to get the washing machine/tumble dryer and boiler out of there to put in a shower. There is no room upstairs for one. I don't mind them being noisy in the kitchen

We need heat - I am willing to take out the log burner. But I don't really fancy a range cooker in that space and I have a feeling that will be suggested.

We don't want to lose any light. We would like to put Veluxes in the extension (single storey) but there is a beam across the back which will steal some of the light we gain from them.

I think we need to keep the 2 doors into the space or else the hall will look weird.

We realise we need some building work done before we get the kitchen installed but I need to know where the kitchen will be going so that I can book a builder.

Kitchen layout ideas - anyone fancy a REAL challenge?
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crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:30

Littlemissprosecco · 06/06/2022 13:30

Be careful with taking chimney breasts out, they can be load bearing

I assume so

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CrispsnDips · 06/06/2022 13:30

Yes, has to be sufficient support above. A big job I understand…

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:32

I'm actually getting a bit excited now. I can see it is possible to solve it. I have £40k to spend. Does that sound possible? I I'll be happy with the kitchen cheapest units for a few years and spend the money on structural things. It honestly doesn't need to be fancy just usable.

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Littlemissprosecco · 06/06/2022 13:36

Budget sounds ok, make sure you know what you want though. As I mentioned before don’t even consider it if you’re not willing to part with money for it!

princesssparklepants · 06/06/2022 13:37

It would need a steel beam.

We are having one take down at mo, having a toilet put in under the stairs. A door created, a door closed up. Swapping French doors and window around, kitchen fitted and floor fitted for approx £25k but that doesn't inc kitchen and fittings x

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:39

Littlemissprosecco · 06/06/2022 13:36

Budget sounds ok, make sure you know what you want though. As I mentioned before don’t even consider it if you’re not willing to part with money for it!

I'm starting to see what i want now.

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crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:39

princesssparklepants · 06/06/2022 13:37

It would need a steel beam.

We are having one take down at mo, having a toilet put in under the stairs. A door created, a door closed up. Swapping French doors and window around, kitchen fitted and floor fitted for approx £25k but that doesn't inc kitchen and fittings x

So £40k might suffice - yippee

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crumpet · 06/06/2022 13:39

Blocking up one of the doors from behind is a good idea - even better if you can do it in a way which leaves some space behind the door - so that it then becomes the opening to book shelves, coat cupboard, shoe cupboard, odd and soda such as vases etc, depending on the depth you can/want to achieve.

Ferngreen · 06/06/2022 13:43

You don't include windows. Or directions. It's nice to have morning sun in the kitchen imv, check to see where the light is from when.

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:44

crumpet · 06/06/2022 13:39

Blocking up one of the doors from behind is a good idea - even better if you can do it in a way which leaves some space behind the door - so that it then becomes the opening to book shelves, coat cupboard, shoe cupboard, odd and soda such as vases etc, depending on the depth you can/want to achieve.

oh I like this too....we have no airing cupboard. I could make one here.

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Littlemissprosecco · 06/06/2022 13:46

It’s amazing how that little piece of advice can focus the mind!
I was flitting all over the place! Until my architect said,” will you actually pay for it”

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:50

Ferngreen · 06/06/2022 13:43

You don't include windows. Or directions. It's nice to have morning sun in the kitchen imv, check to see where the light is from when.

side window and patio doors and window over sink shown in pink now. We were told when we knocked the middle wall that the side window can be lowered (ie deeper) but not wider. The builder told us but I expect he got that from structural engineer at the time. We did make it longer (ie lower) at the time but it looks out onto the lane that runs beside the house and we are very overlooked.

The rear of the house is 100% north facing.

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crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:53

Littlemissprosecco · 06/06/2022 13:46

It’s amazing how that little piece of advice can focus the mind!
I was flitting all over the place! Until my architect said,” will you actually pay for it”

honestly I would even put up with repurposing the old ( at least 17 years old) Howdens cupboards if they would survive cming out and being put back in and a few freestanding shelving units from Ikea for a few years to get the layout and the heat right. The kitchen fittings I can tolerate anything. £40-45k is top budget for now

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crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:56

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 13:50

side window and patio doors and window over sink shown in pink now. We were told when we knocked the middle wall that the side window can be lowered (ie deeper) but not wider. The builder told us but I expect he got that from structural engineer at the time. We did make it longer (ie lower) at the time but it looks out onto the lane that runs beside the house and we are very overlooked.

The rear of the house is 100% north facing.

oops

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glasshalfsomething · 06/06/2022 13:57

We had similar design fatigue. Find a local design and build company. Someone who does extensions and kitchens.

we then left it to them to do a few designs, with the brief that we were willing to invest in some build work, but not OTT.

they gave us a few options and ballpark costs. We chose the one that worked for us and they carried out everything from removal of old kitchen to building work, glazing, rendering and new kitchen fit.

the other thing I’d suggest is drawing the layout with none of the existing walls and furniture. They drawing what you want in it. Do 20 variations if you need to. Then, once you find a version you like, look at light and water and see if it’s possible. Best to design to live rather than living around existing utilities.

BonnyandPoppy · 06/06/2022 14:05

We used an independent kitchen designer and she came up with some ideas we would never have thought of. If your anywhere in South Wales I can recommend her. We googled German kitchens and she was one of the ones that came up. She also project managed the whole thing and got us all the tradesmen. It was expensive but worth it! She came and measured up the space and saw it for herself (we also have a bonkers house). Then she came up with two plans and presented them to us. We could see everything on her huge monitor and do a walk through and how she planned it was exactly how it turned out. It really helped to visualize the changes she had proposed. We ended up doing a mixture of her two initial plans taking bits we liked from each one and combining them.

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 14:15

BonnyandPoppy · 06/06/2022 14:05

We used an independent kitchen designer and she came up with some ideas we would never have thought of. If your anywhere in South Wales I can recommend her. We googled German kitchens and she was one of the ones that came up. She also project managed the whole thing and got us all the tradesmen. It was expensive but worth it! She came and measured up the space and saw it for herself (we also have a bonkers house). Then she came up with two plans and presented them to us. We could see everything on her huge monitor and do a walk through and how she planned it was exactly how it turned out. It really helped to visualize the changes she had proposed. We ended up doing a mixture of her two initial plans taking bits we liked from each one and combining them.

Yes please. I'm in Swansea

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crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 14:45

glasshalfsomething · 06/06/2022 13:57

We had similar design fatigue. Find a local design and build company. Someone who does extensions and kitchens.

we then left it to them to do a few designs, with the brief that we were willing to invest in some build work, but not OTT.

they gave us a few options and ballpark costs. We chose the one that worked for us and they carried out everything from removal of old kitchen to building work, glazing, rendering and new kitchen fit.

the other thing I’d suggest is drawing the layout with none of the existing walls and furniture. They drawing what you want in it. Do 20 variations if you need to. Then, once you find a version you like, look at light and water and see if it’s possible. Best to design to live rather than living around existing utilities.

I've done hundreds ;)

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BruceAndNosh · 06/06/2022 15:25

Before meeting designer, write a list of what you like about your existing kitchen, and what doesn't work.
Wish list and not bothered list. (eg all designers seem to want to put in a wine fridge and we didn't want one)
Your shopping habits, daily or one massive shop once a fortnight?
Do you bake a lot, or use a lot of different herbs and spices? I rarely bake but cook a lot of different styles of cooking so spice storage and accessibility was important.
Do you bung everything in dishwasher or wash up quite a bit by hand?
Are you a solitary cook or several family members join in?

DON'T FORGET TO INCLUDE A SPACE FOR THE BIN !

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 15:33

BruceAndNosh · 06/06/2022 15:25

Before meeting designer, write a list of what you like about your existing kitchen, and what doesn't work.
Wish list and not bothered list. (eg all designers seem to want to put in a wine fridge and we didn't want one)
Your shopping habits, daily or one massive shop once a fortnight?
Do you bake a lot, or use a lot of different herbs and spices? I rarely bake but cook a lot of different styles of cooking so spice storage and accessibility was important.
Do you bung everything in dishwasher or wash up quite a bit by hand?
Are you a solitary cook or several family members join in?

DON'T FORGET TO INCLUDE A SPACE FOR THE BIN !

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Girlwhowearsglasses · 06/06/2022 15:41

Honestly I think you need an architect not a kitchen designer. Get the space right and the kitchen will be a cinch!

I may be worth your while as they may have ideas for the best use of space and budget. A kitchen designer isn’t qualified in building structure.

an imaginative architect loves a problem like that. You don’t necessarily need them to manage the project - you should be able to pay for an outline idea or a full spec or anything in between.

it will add value to house of done with imagination and not piecemeal

Littlemissprosecco · 06/06/2022 15:43

I have to agree

crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 15:51

Girlwhowearsglasses · 06/06/2022 15:41

Honestly I think you need an architect not a kitchen designer. Get the space right and the kitchen will be a cinch!

I may be worth your while as they may have ideas for the best use of space and budget. A kitchen designer isn’t qualified in building structure.

an imaginative architect loves a problem like that. You don’t necessarily need them to manage the project - you should be able to pay for an outline idea or a full spec or anything in between.

it will add value to house of done with imagination and not piecemeal

booked the architect who did my (very rich) friend's amazing extension. I feel a bit guilty if I will waste his time but I told him all the awfulness warts and all

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crazyhouserevamp · 06/06/2022 15:52

Littlemissprosecco · 06/06/2022 15:43

I have to agree

I've booked a visit. eek

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Girlwhowearsglasses · 06/06/2022 15:54

Plus an architect isn’t trying to sell you something. Kitchen designers are all about upwelling and bonuses. They aren’t on ‘your’ side in the same way. An architect doesn’t care who makes your kitchen or who builds it- they’re paid to be on your side. They will know how to get warmth and how to calculate properly the insulation and hating requirements. They will know about how heat moves through space. They couldn’t care less if you have a steam oven or a wine fridge ;-)

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