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Preparing house for winter to keep energy bills low - ideas?

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Beaucoup · 31/05/2022 08:04

We are taking the summer months to get the house ready for winter partly to avoid energy costs going even higher.

wanted to start a thread with peoples ideas to pool together.

things we are currently doing -

  1. We’ve set up ceiling lines in our south facing conservatory which is a gorgeous space for us all to sit and play/host but doubles up overnights and slow days as drying space. Tumble drier stopped being used but we do switch on the ceiling fan if we’ve hung things up.
  2. getting an electric blanket for my large downstairs office for WFH days to drape over legs instead of having heating on
  3. getting blankets and dressings downs for us and DC to keep in ottoman in sitting room
  4. getting a few microwaveable Sheep as hot water bottles without water!
need advice on a few things -
  1. is an air fryer worth it to avoid oven?
  2. we lack knowledge about insulation and draught proofing particularly - particularly for bedrooms upstairs and front door too
  3. assuming that electric oil filled radiators are v costly to run and isn’t worth using those in rooms we are using rather than heating on centrally?
  4. spouse is thinking of smart thingies on each radiator which means rooms can have heating switched on and off remotely on a timer depending on household routines. Am not sure what these are..
  5. Also thinking of smart plugs at various points in the house to auto switch off things forgotten on standby

any other ideas ?

OP posts:
TheVillageElder · 03/07/2022 11:45

All those promoting air fryers please also acknowledge that there really are Cancerogenic issues associated with these and that certain foods shouldn't be cooked in these.
Saving pounds now but potentially feeding you and your loved ones Cancerogenic foods isn't worth that!

BooksAndChooks · 03/07/2022 12:28

TheVillageElder · 03/07/2022 11:45

All those promoting air fryers please also acknowledge that there really are Cancerogenic issues associated with these and that certain foods shouldn't be cooked in these.
Saving pounds now but potentially feeding you and your loved ones Cancerogenic foods isn't worth that!

Can you say more or link to any sources? What is it about an airfryer that is carcinogenic vs a conventional oven?

We have held off on buying an airfryer purely because I'm usually cooking for 6/7/8 people and I'm not sure they would have the capacity to cope. Our oven usage does make up a significant chunk of our electric bill though, so I would tempted if I found one with the right capacity (although I suspect that would just be a full size oven).

sanityisamyth · 03/07/2022 12:31

TheVillageElder · 03/07/2022 11:45

All those promoting air fryers please also acknowledge that there really are Cancerogenic issues associated with these and that certain foods shouldn't be cooked in these.
Saving pounds now but potentially feeding you and your loved ones Cancerogenic foods isn't worth that!

Cancerogenic? Not sure I'm going to take advice from someone who doesn't use the correct terms!!

DuarPorte · 03/07/2022 13:01

TheVillageElder · 03/07/2022 11:45

All those promoting air fryers please also acknowledge that there really are Cancerogenic issues associated with these and that certain foods shouldn't be cooked in these.
Saving pounds now but potentially feeding you and your loved ones Cancerogenic foods isn't worth that!

Peer reviewed evidence from reputable scientific journals as source please? I’d be delighted to take a look at the evidence on this - it’s my profession to deal with academic research!

also … “cancerogenic”* 🤣

TheVillageElder · 03/07/2022 18:50

DuarPorte · 03/07/2022 13:01

Peer reviewed evidence from reputable scientific journals as source please? I’d be delighted to take a look at the evidence on this - it’s my profession to deal with academic research!

also … “cancerogenic”* 🤣

It was from a fairly frequently referred to 2015 study published in the Journal of Food Science that found that air frying potatoes versus deep frying them appeared to decrease the formation of acrylamide significantly, but Consumer Council testing found that the levels were often still well in excess of EU benchmarks.

There are also many references to polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and heterocyclic amines also being issues.

All being knwin to be cancinerogenic.

DuarPorte · 03/07/2022 19:08

TheVillageElder · 03/07/2022 18:50

It was from a fairly frequently referred to 2015 study published in the Journal of Food Science that found that air frying potatoes versus deep frying them appeared to decrease the formation of acrylamide significantly, but Consumer Council testing found that the levels were often still well in excess of EU benchmarks.

There are also many references to polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and heterocyclic amines also being issues.

All being knwin to be cancinerogenic.

What is “cancinerogenic” please?

In other news : microwaves fry our brains. Smart phones cause neurological decay.

DuarPorte · 03/07/2022 19:09

(But thanks for de railing the thread).

Decafflatteplease · 06/07/2022 18:58

Not that exciting but today I gathered up all the blankets and throws and made sure we had enough for.extra layers on DC beds plus couch plus WFH and washed dried and put them in baskets ready. Feel a bit more organised now!

Brownlongearedbat · 07/07/2022 19:16

I had 12 bags of smokeless coal delivered the other day. My supplier said the price was going up with his next delivery. Just a heads up if you use coal and have got the storage space. All fuels are going to go sky high and may even be in short supply.

Decafflatteplease · 08/07/2022 12:22

Ive just ordered a free shower timer from our water company. I don't think we spend that long in the shower but the shower is on at least 4 times.a day which must use alot of electric so hopefully trying to get quicker will save some money

Salome61 · 08/07/2022 23:58

I've just tried to buy my kids the heated velvet throws by Dreamland - out of stock everywhere, only one I can find is a furry one for £85 on Amazon. Think I've missed the boat.

Nat6999 · 09/07/2022 00:14

As the energy price cap is going up another 64% in October I honestly think we will all be sitting around a candle & lighting it if it is really cold. I'm getting a new multi cooker, I already have a halogen oven & I'm thinking of getting a thermal cooker which is basically a posh version of a hay box where you put casseroles in as soon as they come to the boil & it cooks with no energy. I will only be washing if I have a full load, will dry as much as I can on airers or the radiator, I'm getting a more energy efficient washer as mine is ancient & only has a 5kg load. We already have heated blankets, I'm buying some more Heatholders socks & gloves as I can't stand having cold hands & feet.

AnOldCynic · 09/07/2022 06:32

@knowinglesseveryday I bought a Sage compact glass kettle. Pricey but it looks nice and with it being glass I know exactly how much to boil. You can also pick them up on eBay.

MintJulia · 09/07/2022 06:51

I had my roof replaced in the spring, to stop the rain coming in rather than as an energy saver. But the roofers found that the estate who did it last time (1950) had run out of roof liner half way through and hadn't bothered to go & buy another roll, they'd just left it half unlined. Explains why the bedroom, that end of the house has always been cold. So hoping, now lined, it will take much less energy to heat.

This country badly needs for every house over 50 years old to be checked, and grants available for proper insulation.

sanityisamyth · 10/07/2022 20:14

AnOldCynic · 09/07/2022 06:32

@knowinglesseveryday I bought a Sage compact glass kettle. Pricey but it looks nice and with it being glass I know exactly how much to boil. You can also pick them up on eBay.

Could you not have filled up whatever you wanted to boil (mug, pan etc) and then poured that in a much cheaper kettle (with a small excess)?!

AnOldCynic · 12/07/2022 18:57

Yes I could have done. But I didn't. 😊

Positivelypatient · 14/07/2022 15:12

I found a thermal jug at the car boot the other week, Im planning on using that to store the hot water I've boiled in the kettle for the day's drinks. Could use a normal flask aswell?

coastalguy · 08/08/2022 12:02

Reducing Heating and Hot Water Energy costs by Up to 50%

(this is 78% of most peoples bill)
The most important thing is not to lose the heat you have paid for.
Heat rises and most of your heat will eventually disappear through your upstairs ceiling, so lets try and stop it leaving.
A central heating system is normally designed to heat each room to a comfortable temperature with the doors closed. If you or family members leave the doors open then your rooms will feel cold (cold air falls to lowest room and hot air rises to be lost through highest upstairs ceiling) and your heating bills will go through the roof as your boiler tries to heat the 20 foot high “room” you have created of your whole house.

  1. Doors
Doors should normal be shut, several cheap door closers exist. Rising butt hinges (around £4.00 a pair) just replace your existing hinges (minor trimming of the top or bottom of door may be needed). Alternatively simple door closing mechanism could be used, this just screws in place (from £10.00) More sophisticated closers are available if necessary (from £20.00)
  1. Radiators
These should ideally be fitted with thermostatic radiator valves to allow ideal temperatures to be set for each room so you don’t waste money overheating rooms. Radiators should not have furniture pushed against them as this stops them working efficiently, a simple spacer (block of wood or a book) should ensure an inch or two of free circulation space. Do not drape clothes over a radiator in order to dry or air them, there are far better ways to dry laundry than this method. (Please see energy saver sheet on laundry) . Covering a radiator with laundry stops the radiator working properly either making that room cold and/or making the central heating system try and heat that room by overheating adjacent rooms.
  1. Using wasted heat
This is a proven method of reducing heating costs by over 50% whilst cutting heating up times in half. Ceiling fans are used to both cool and heat buildings in the USA, Middle East, Australia and New Zealand but not in the UK. We simply have never installed, used or understand the advantages of ceiling fans Scientific tests (by Choice the local equivalent of Which magazine) in Australia have proved that the amount of energy needed to heat a closed room is reduced by more than 50% when a ceiling fan is used in reverse (winter setting). The time taken to reach the desired air temperature is also reduced greatly. This works because hot air rises and becomes trapped against the ceiling and is normally wasted, the fan draws cold air from the floor and mixes it with the hot air and so uses this normally wasted heat for the first time. For further data see www.choice.com.au/home-and-living/cooling/fans/articles/how-ceiling-fans-heat-your-home-and-save-you-money Fans cost from £70.00 each and are available from retailers such as B&Q. If ceiling fans are included in a heating plan/design then radiator sizes and boiler capacities can be reduced substantially. The effects can be startling, turning the heating down one degree will save around £120 after April 2022. The above 4 degree saving will result in something around £480 (energy costs based on April 2022 ) saving with no drop in comfort levels i.e the sofa level temperature will not change. A ceiling Fan costs from £60.00 from B&Q or on line and simply replaces your rooms central/main light fixture.
  1. Draughts
The whole house should be checked for draughts, these constantly steal heat and make the occupants uncomfortable. A windy day makes this job easier. Unused fireplaces should be draught proofed

a chimney balloon (£20.00) or similar devices do a good job.
Windows should be checked as above.
External doors and letterboxes, can be weather stripped, letterboxes are awkward to draught proof with bristle strips often trapping leaflets and letters. Consideration could be given to sealing the letterbox and fitting a new external lockable post-box (£17.00),
Wooden floors to the ground floor should be checked and rope or similar treatment installed in the gaps.
Kitchen, bathrooms and laundries should be checked for draughts around pipes exiting the house.
Any links between out buildings and garages should be checked and insulated.
Loft hatches should be checked for both draughts and adequate insulation and remedied or replaced as necessary.

  1. Insulation
Check loft insulation is to current standards, if not top it up. This is a cheap and very effective DIY job paying for itself normally within 2 years (270 millimetres for glass wool, 250 millimetres for rock wool or 220 millimetres for cellulose). Sloping ceilings, these have long been considered impossible to insulate, a rip out and start again job, very messy and expensive but they can sometimes be tackled easily. The method is to use a complete roll of foil type insulation or plastic wrapped glass wool and make a bag at one end by turning the insulation back on itself and fixing or attaching a strong separate plastic bag. the bag acts as pushing points, you insert drain rods and slowly push from the loft until firm resistance is encountered. Check loft hatch is insulated (this is a bit like a bath plug, it’s impossible to economically fill your house with heat if the loft hatch isn’t insulated properly (and most are not). (Available from

£34.00).
Insulate any overhanging floors , over porches, passageways etc either lift floor boards in rooms above and insulate or insulate externally with sheet insulation.
If you have cold internal walls due to solid external walls or other defects a relatively low cost solution is to coat the inside walls with Wallrock Thermal Liner (£60.00 a roll, covers 7.5 sq meters) or similar products to insulate wall and provide a new knock resistant decorating service. This probably will also eliminate any condensation or black mould problems on these walls.
Consider insulating any uninsulated cavity walls, again an inexpensive upgrade paying for itself in just a couple of years, (£200 per external two storey wall). Some free insulation grants exist.

The Energy Saving trust can advise).
Radiators on external walls will benefit from foil being fitted to the wall at rear of radiator to prevent warming of external walls. (£7.00 for 1.9 sq metres)

  1. Hot Water
Most central heating systems allow you to control the heat of the hot water for sinks and bath use. Most systems are set to produce hot water at a higher temperature than is actually used in the house. If you need to add cold water to the water you bath, shower in and wash up with then you are probably heating hot water up to a much higher temperature than you need too. Turn the thermostat down on your hot water cylinder or boiler and try a lower temperature. The savings here can be dramatic. When washing hands or rinsing crockery most people reach for the hot tap, but often the boiler is many meters away. This means the boiler needs to fire up and all those many meters of pipe need to fill with hot water before you see any hot water in the bathroom or kitchen So you see no benefit most of the time, you just waste gas and hot water, try to develop the habit of washing hands and rinsing cups in cold water Save the hot tap for when larger amounts of water are needed, showers, baths and washing up after meals.
  1. Heating empty/disused rooms
Empty or lightly used rooms can have their heating reduced or turned off completely. If a three bed house has only one or two occupants it may be feasible to close off

two bedrooms and a dining room reducing hat requirements by some 40%.

  1. Windows
Windows should be checked for draughts (easy on a windy day) and any found should be stopped by fixing self-adhesive rubber or sponge tape (available at most DIY stores and some supermarkets). Curtains should be closed at dusk to minimise heat loss as the outside temperature plunges at sunset. Consideration should be given to fitting thermal liners to existing curtains particularly if you do not have double glazed windows. Other things to do There are plenty of other things that can be considered, but I have tried to concentrate on the fast to install and relatively inexpensive changes that normal people can do even with limited budgets. If time and money allows these are a few of the areas that could be explored :- • Underfloor insulation • Upgraded double or triple glazed windows • Upgrade source of Central heating (be very careful if looking at heat pumps as they only work well with underfloor heating and super insulated houses) • Solar panels for electricity and hot water Hope this helps
BornBlonde · 11/08/2022 00:28

We've invested in a new front door & windows, they needed replaced as not energy efficient and although a bug investment we think it will save money long term.

Kids have been stopped wearing multiple outfits per day! Our washing pile is massive & as much as I miss the convenience we never use the tumble dryer

Blondeshavemorefun · 11/08/2022 21:58

@Decafflatteplease same as us. We seem to use 14 a day average. Not sure why or how some manage to use 4/6

@HillCrestingGoat what smart plugs do you have and how much are they

nof on a smart meter and would like to know what is eating our electricity convinced it’s dh fish tank

HillCrestingGoat · 11/08/2022 22:38

@Blondeshavemorefun we bought Tapo plugs, 2 pack, currently £15.99 on Amazon. Used the app to see usage plus they double up as timers.

www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Tapo-Wireless-Control-Required/dp/B0875DFSD3

Clarabellawilliamson · 11/08/2022 23:04

Thank you for that detailed post @coastalguy ! Definitely some things to think about there. We have some hideous old ceiling fans and I had no idea that they could be used to help warm a room- I will investigate ours in more detail!

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