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How can I find a big enough house to accommodate disabled Mum?

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Wisteriahills · 29/03/2022 23:53

I have been looking for a bigger house near where we live to accommodate my disabled Mum, after my Dad passed away last year. I cannot believe how expensive everywhere has got and I just cannot see anywhere that I would want to live in that would have suitable space. I can find lots of places that work for us as a family, but add my Mum into the mix and it feels impossible. We currently live in a lovely but compact 4 bed but it has steep stairs and no space to extend as small plot. With teenagers already bursting at the seams as only one reception plus kitchen, plus 2 of us working from home. What kind of house could I buy/extend that would be suitable? Mum is expecting own bedroom, bathroom, living room plus ideally kitchen. 4 bed detached in my area is around £900K-£1 million. We have budget of up to £1 million but can't believe we cannot find something suitable for that.

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SpidersAreShitheads · 30/03/2022 14:35

@Outnumbered99 thank you!! I'm really excited by it. We've lived in a house that's way too small for years and this house will finally give the children a bedroom each, plus a study, a huge kitchen (I like to cook) and two separate living rooms (DS gets a bit overwhelmed at times - he has quite high needs). There's also a big, south-facing garden.

DM's space will be lovely too and as well as extending, we're raising the floors, widening doorways and replacing the roof. It will all be configured to exactly what she wants. It's a corner plot with a small side extension but an absolute TON of room to extend.

It's a huge amount of work and I've never done ANY building work before so I'm slightly daunted by such an enormous project. But it will be amazing when it's finished. Scary and exciting all at once!

RoundGlass · 30/03/2022 15:04

Get a house that suits you and build her a beautiful log cabin in the garden.

DottyHarmer · 30/03/2022 15:24

In view of the fact that OP’s preferred area is too pricey, and that her dm sounds rather exacting in her preferences, I think a suitable flat close to OP would be better. Imagine the dm not liking it once she’s in…

A cautionary tale: my opposite neighbours had an annexe built for the dh’s mother. After a few months the mil said she was still lonely and didn’t want to be by herself in the annexe. So she swapped with one of the dcs. However she then decided that her ds was actually her Dh and kept trying to get into bed with them and attacking her dil. Poor woman had Alzheimer’s and had to go into a home. They have just sold the house - not in Cheltenham but similar: £1.25m.

TatianaBis · 30/03/2022 15:27

How much is your mum’s house worth currently OP? You must be able to build an annexe for the price of her house, unless she’s living in a tiny flat.

Wisteriahills · 31/03/2022 16:06

Thanks for all the useful ideas and haha definitely "exacting" is the right word, although she is lovely and we all get on well which is why I am happy to move in together. I think the best option is going to be an extension with a separate entrance that we will probably have to build. SpidersareShitheads your idea sounds perfect. Have just seen somewhere that is a corner plot but not in exact area - rather ugly (good has hopefully=cheaper). You have inspired me to go and have a look.

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Reluctantadult · 31/03/2022 16:09

Have you considered Tewkesbury? You can commute to Oxford a couple of ways, either up towards Evesham to get on the A444 or cross-country via Stow then Burford. It's a long enough way mind!

Reluctantadult · 31/03/2022 16:12

I was eyeing up this earlier, just for fun! I defo can't afford.
www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/121155263

Reluctantadult · 31/03/2022 16:15

Also FYI there is so much development coming to Gloucester / Cheltenham / Churchdown / Tewkesbury in the next 20yrs, worth knowing what's afoot.

gunnersgold · 01/04/2022 06:52

@SpidersAreShitheads .. how do you go about the planning? What if it's refused ?
Also are you an only child? What about the money?
So many questions !

My dm is losing capacity but has a lot of money and I don't know wether to use half of it and do this and just put the other half in an account for my sister and then what if she needs care , do I have to pay . So many questions 🙈

SpidersAreShitheads · 01/04/2022 11:09

@gunnersgold You have to be very careful to do this the right way so it's not seen as deliberate deprivation of assets.

I'm not an only child but my DB has basically washed his hands of DM (she can be difficult) - I get on very well with him and he wouldn't expect any money from DM's estate anyway, so it's easier.

Our situation is complicated - what we're doing is selling DM's house and getting a small mortgage to purchase the property and do the majority of the work. Then we're going to sell my current property and use the equity to finish off the things I want done on my side of the house. DM can live in my side of the house while they're building her annexe and we also can slowly start to move stuff in from here. I've got two autistic DC and I'm autistic myself, so none of us handle change very well. So this slow and steady approach will really help us three.

I was concerned that the house could potentially be sold in the future to fund care for DM - although the theory is that being right next door we should be able to manage most things at home. I was a carer for my dad up until his death so I know what it involves and I'm OK with it.We spoke to an estate planner and we've put the house in trust. Happy to give you more info about this if you want, but avoids issues when Mum passes and also protects my investment ie/capital from sale of my property. The way we've set it up also means it can't be sold and used for care fees (should they be needed).

I did a huge amount of research into the different options. To cut a long story short, it depends what type of accommodation your DM wants and how much room she needs. My DM originally was going to have a cabin in the garden, they're really lovely to be fair, I'd live in one! They don't all need planning permission, it depends on the size.

The other thing I looked for was a wide house - and they are really bloody hard to find. The idea was that with a wide house it would be possible to split it more easily to the side and then maybe add extra space to the back under permitted development, without needing planning permission.

As it happens, I found a house on a corner plot where they have done a side extension which feels entirely separate to the main house and was actually used as an annexe. So we're going to add some more space to that with an extension and also put in a full kitchen in the annexe. We're also adding soundproofing between the side annexe and the main house so there is some privacy. We are then also putting a 15ft x25ft extension on the main house to give us the room we need. It all needs planning permission but the architect says we won't have any problems. There's no reason for it to be refused, and we're just getting that done at the moment.

You can apply for planning permission before you own the property. That means that when you get the keys, you'll be almost ready to start building straight away. A good architect is really worth their weight in gold - our one knows I haven't got a clue about the process and has been brilliant in talking me through each step and answering the million and one stupid question I keep asking!

So yes, ideally you'll need to apply for planning before the purchase and you need to find somewhere that you can be confident the planning will be granted. The chances are that the planning decision will come through before the purchase is complete. Also, you can apply for outline planning first - that's a slimmed down process where you don't need to supply full plans, and it's quicker. But it will indicate whether full planning is likely to be granted.

Happy to answer all/any other questions either on here or via pm - for me, being next to DM will really help both her and me. I find it hard splitting my time to trek over to see her - I home educate the DC now and I work full-time (self-employed) and being able to fit in seeing her around all of that just by popping next door will be a bloody godsend. She feels very lonely at the moment so I think this will be really life-changing for her too.

SilverDragonfly1 · 01/04/2022 12:25

[quote gunnersgold]@SpidersAreShitheads .. how do you go about the planning? What if it's refused ?
Also are you an only child? What about the money?
So many questions !

My dm is losing capacity but has a lot of money and I don't know wether to use half of it and do this and just put the other half in an account for my sister and then what if she needs care , do I have to pay . So many questions 🙈[/quote]
Your mum's money can only be used for things benefitting her. Do you have power of attorney? I don't know if you could make a case with adult social care for using some for an extension since you're planning to care for her, but you definitely can't give any to your sister, unless you mean that she would be named on an account your mum can access in order to keep an eye on things. That would absolutely be deprivation of assets and you and your sister would be expected to pay for her care until her nominal savings get below whatever the cap is. So if she has a lot of money, you could be paying £1000ish a week for some considerable time if a nursing home is required.

gunnersgold · 01/04/2022 20:17

I know I need to be careful , I don't need her money but I need it if she wants to live with us . I don't overly want her to she won't consider a retirement village or sheltered accommodation. Yes I have PoA and I know the tax implications . Thing is it needs to be fair between my sister and I but it's such a bloody nightmare . I wish it would all go away tbh and she went to live down here safe for her . I have a son with sn and a dd with other issues so I could do without it .. she also has a lot of assets so it's all a big mess ..
I'm going to get some legal / tax advice and go from there

TatianaBis · 01/04/2022 20:47

You can’t start dividing your mum’s money with your sister while she’s still alive!

If DM comes to live with you write up a spreadsheet of all her living expenses and pay yourself that out of her account every month. It would be sensible to send a copy of that and your self payment to York sis.

If DM needs FT care or to go into a care home at some point when her care needs exceed your capacity, then you have her assets to pay for that.

Money shouldn’t be divided between you and sis until after she’s passed and inheritance tax is paid.

If you’re seeing a lawyer and an accountant it would be sensible to retain them to oversee DM’s finances.

gunnersgold · 01/04/2022 21:40

I didn't mean give it to her while she is alive but allow enough left to allocate my sisters half of it .. this is why I don't want to do it because it's too bloody tricky!
I don't want to have to sell my home if she needs a care home or if she dies and need to give my sister her half ..
I don't want her money or to care for her but I have to do something !

I'm working on getting her to agree to the retirement village as I think it's a perfect compromise . They are building a new one soon right near where I currently live so 🙏🙏

gunnersgold · 01/04/2022 21:44

@SpidersAreShitheads thank you .. I've re read your post and it makes sense .. so I need an estate planner ? Didn't know they existed !

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