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Ditch the dream house because of 'historic movement'?

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serafina77 · 10/03/2022 21:23

Hi everyone,

Wonder if I could ask your opinions on a house dilemma. Last June we sold our house in North London and moved to the Cotswolds. We’re currently renting, watching house prices rocket as our capital dwindles! A few attempts to buy have fallen through. Our choice is very limited as we’re trying to get into the tiny catchment of the 'best secondary in the county', and more than half the houses in the area are medium/high flood risk.

5 months ago we had an offer accepted on a lovely Victorian 4-bed semi in the perfect area. Eye-wateringly expensive (we had to offer a fair whack over the asking price as competition was fierce) but we were in love.

A few weeks ago the chain finally completed, and the solicitors sprang into action. Mortgage sorted, exchange planned for Easter. But… we’ve just got the survey back, and it’s flagged up ‘substantial historic movement’ in the ground floor bay window. This sounded pretty terrifying, but the surveyor said off the record that it shouldn’t stop us from buying it, and every house of that age is likely to have something similar - bays often moved as they didn’t have proper foundations. She also says it’s not actually subsidence and it’s not actively moving, so we don’t even need to declare it to insurers (but we will). No remedial action is needed.

Our friends and family are divided 50/50 on whether it’s a deal breaker. My husband thinks we’d be mad to ditch our dream home - where we could be for the next 15 years - over one dodgy bay window. Having talked to an insurance broker, it seems it won’t be that expensive to get cover. But I’m worried future buyers will be put off. I’m changing my mind every 5 minutes about it – no idea what to do! We can’t negotiate a price reduction as the sellers’ onward purchase is stretching them as it is, and I expect they’ll just put the house back on the market if we don’t pay the full amount.

Any advice gratefully received - thank you 

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EezyOozy · 10/03/2022 21:31

No I'm not a structural engineer or a building surveyor but I did think that historic movement referred to houses "settling", where something might slip a crack a little bit and then it never moves again, ergo it's probably fine

TW9resident · 10/03/2022 21:34

We have exactly this. It's been fine for the 2 decades since we moved in, no more movement!

StillTryingtoBuy · 10/03/2022 21:36

Yes as above I think historic movement isn’t a problem, I’d trust your surveyor here and the fact they are saying you wouldn’t need to declare to insurers is encouraging.

Londongent · 10/03/2022 21:39

In this situation you listen to the surveyor, not what you think substantial historic movement could mean for the future. It sounds bad, but your surveyor isn't concerned and neither should you be

Sprig1 · 10/03/2022 21:41

Why pay for an expert's opinion and then not listen to them. Buy the house.

serafina77 · 10/03/2022 21:41

Thanks everyone, that's really encouraging. It's definitely sunk a bit (the floor slopes slightly in the living room) but I guess the main thing is that it's stopped now! Soooo many things to worry about when you're spending your life savings.

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WavyHazyGravy · 10/03/2022 21:42

The surveyor has said it’s fine!

marymay62 · 10/03/2022 21:44

We had the same ( after a huge offer) with ‘historical movement ‘ but our surveyor sat on the fence about it and told us to get a structural engineer and dig inspection pits etc etc . So we had a specialist survey at a huge extra cost and he said ‘ it’s historical movement ‘ don’t worry’. So we aren’t and we’re not getting a pit inspection either. They are the experts - that’s what you pay for. There shouldn’t have been any ‘off the record advice’ it should all be in the report so I would actually go back to the surveyor and ask her to clarify in writing what she told you about the ‘movement ‘ . Alternatively you get a second opinion . You have to trust what the surveyors say though and don’t become armchair experts or let the ‘family ‘ decide for you as they aren’t experts either - neither are your friends . . Old houses will always have something . You could also ask a builder to have a look at it ? If it needs no work then don’t worry and just get on with it. Why are you asking everyone really as you have the answer from the surveyor and you will only get someone else’s fearful opinion and twenty different ones at that ! If it’s not mortgageable or insurance that’s a different matter but if that’s not a problem then why worry ? Your husband is happy with it and you’re buying together. It with all your family and friends ! You’re unlikely to get a period house without some problems.

GiantKitten · 10/03/2022 21:47

Is your bay window downstairs only? Ours is and has “settled” significantly, to the front and to the side where its gutter downspout used to discharge INTO THE GROUND Hmm

House built 1892, mid terrace but built separately from the houses either side (semi-rural Lancs, it’s a bit weird up here!)

We did actually get a structural engineer’s report once - I think we were trying to remortgage or something and the cracking was flagged up. Anyway engineer was quite satisfied all the movement was historic. (And we finally removed that downspout 10 years ago!)

serafina77 · 10/03/2022 21:52

@marymay62 @GiantKitten - thank you, I feel so much better now :-)

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DarleneSnell · 10/03/2022 21:55

You've listed loads of good reasons to buy the house, and only 1 reason not to (and the expert has said it shouldn't stop you!). I would go for it.

IggysPop · 10/03/2022 22:00

I have only bought 4 houses - the first three all had ‘historic movement’. All built pre-1945 and I would be surprised if they didn’t tbh.

I am now in a new build. I expect it will be moving around for a few years while it settles.

Movement is not subsidence as said unthread. Buy it.

TheUndoingProject · 10/03/2022 22:02

We bought a Victorian Terrace with the same issue, historic movement of a ground floor bay window. It caused us no problems at all and we sold the house without issue.

Wnikat · 10/03/2022 22:03

If the surveyor says it’s fine and you can insure it it’s not a problem.

gingerhills · 10/03/2022 22:20

We have the same. House built on clay. Not subsidence but lots of plaster cracks. We've repaired the worst and given up on the rest. Not been a problem at all. House is structurally sound. Get a builder in to give an opinion. There was a big crack down one wall in our house that looked awful but several builders shrugged and said: looks bad but it's just cosmetic.' It got put right easily for a few hundred pounds (in a very expensive area.)

Don't let it put you off.

serafina77 · 10/03/2022 23:25

Thanks so much, everyone - brilliant to hear your personal experiences. Better get that paperwork signed!

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marymay62 · 11/03/2022 08:21

Yes go for it !

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