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Bit of a dilemma - Plumber has technically done the work but it isn't in the right place... What do I do?

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mummabubs · 07/02/2022 22:01

Need some insight into what the etiquette or expectation is in situations like ours please!

We moved into a fixer upper 9 months ago. We've been having an utter nightmare getting tradespeople to quote to do anything (electrics, plastering, plumbing, building, you name it!!) so even doing bits ourselves, progress is slow. With two young children we're desperate to get the downstairs WC back in action but there are some parts that we aren't skilled enough to do - ie chasing radiator pipes into the wall and relocating the water feed to another corner of the room. We had five different plumbers come out, only 2 provided a quote (I had to chase them) and 1 of them openly said he was quoting high as he didn't really want the job. So we went with the only one who'd provided a quote and actually was wanting the job. He advised that our proposed layout wasn't a good idea for the space and suggested we buy a vanity unit to go in a different corner. We agreed this was the right move and purchased one before booking him in to come and move the pipes.

He came out at the end of last week, I asked when he arrived did he want to see the new vanity unit that was going into the space and he casually replied no it was fine. He did both jobs, I paid him, done. However... We went to mark the vanity unit today as we need to drill the holes to feed the new pipes through and realised that the plumber has located the new waste pipe pretty much flush against the wall, which isn't tiled yet... So there's no way there's enough clearance to fit it. I didn't want to bother him over the weekend as he'd mentioned to me that he gets pestered regularly outside of working hours I so waited to message him asking what a solution might be until this morning. He read the message but I've had no reply.

It feels like a grey area to me. Half of me thinks that on paper the job was to relocate the pipes, which he did. The other half of me feels like he might be obligated to rectify this as he knew it was for a vanity unit (which he himself suggested!) he knew that the walls were going to be tiled afterwards as he'd asked me and he declined to see the unit which would have given him an idea of where to position the pipe. DH thinks he can fix it if we saw the pipe and buy some new bits, but I want to see if the plumber will help us first. Just feels like we paid him nearly £400 for a job that still hasn't got us to where we need it to be. Any thoughts on what I should expect as an outcome would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. (Also if anyone has a magic wand that gets people to provide quotes I'm after one of those too!)

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mummabubs · 07/02/2022 22:05

Bloody hell, that was an essay 🤣 Also meant to say we measured the unit on Friday, not today. (I have a 9 month old so I'm not really a functioning human being come the evening).

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SeasonFinale · 07/02/2022 22:11

Definitely get him back to sort out his error. As you quite rightly say you offered he just to him to check and he refused. If he had checked this would not be the case.

rattlemehearties · 07/02/2022 22:17

Eek well you've paid him now... you probably should have waited until you'd checked! Given the current market I don't think you'll see him again sorry. Probably time to rethink the plan.

mummabubs · 07/02/2022 22:38

@rattlemehearties

Eek well you've paid him now... you probably should have waited until you'd checked! Given the current market I don't think you'll see him again sorry. Probably time to rethink the plan.
Husband wasn't in until late that evening to see the work (I can't lift the vanity unit solo) and by that stage I'd already had a message from the plumber asking me for payment 🤦🏻‍♀️ You live, you learn maybe but I wouldn't have felt comfortable waiting another day to pay him.
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mummabubs · 07/02/2022 22:40

@SeasonFinale

Definitely get him back to sort out his error. As you quite rightly say you offered he just to him to check and he refused. If he had checked this would not be the case.
Yeah, this is kind of how I feel overall. He was friendly and seemed knowledgeable at what he was doing, but he did say at the end he was rushing a bit as he had to go and collect his daughter. I wonder if this has also tainted my view slightly of how much care and attention he was paying to what he was doing...
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TobyHouseMan · 07/02/2022 23:07

If it's sticking out just a bit then you could always add in a little more pipe, if you're a little handy? You get a solvent weld Straight Coupler, a bit of pipe and a pot of solvent weld.

Assuming its 32mm (might be 40) then I think this is what you need from ScrewFix:-

www.screwfix.com/p/floplast-straight-couplers-32-x-32mm-white-5-pack/38660

www.screwfix.com/p/floplast-solvent-weld-waste-pipe-white-32mm-x-3m/61967

www.screwfix.com/p/floplast-sc250-solvent-cement-250ml/14295

You get enough material in the lot to have a bit of a play before you do it for real.

mummabubs · 08/02/2022 09:52

@TobyHouseMan

If it's sticking out just a bit then you could always add in a little more pipe, if you're a little handy? You get a solvent weld Straight Coupler, a bit of pipe and a pot of solvent weld.

Assuming its 32mm (might be 40) then I think this is what you need from ScrewFix:-

www.screwfix.com/p/floplast-straight-couplers-32-x-32mm-white-5-pack/38660

www.screwfix.com/p/floplast-solvent-weld-waste-pipe-white-32mm-x-3m/61967

www.screwfix.com/p/floplast-sc250-solvent-cement-250ml/14295

You get enough material in the lot to have a bit of a play before you do it for real.

Thanks, it's actually the opposite issue in that the pipe is too long, so sits flush to the wall. Where we need it to be about 2cm out so that it can enter the back of the vanity unit. It's a solid oak unit so we don't really want hack any more of it out than necessary 🤦🏻‍♀️
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Geneticsbunny · 08/02/2022 18:25

If the pipe is too long you can chop it with a hacksaw or a multitool. Will take only a few mins.

mummabubs · 08/02/2022 20:40

Thanks all, we've fixed it ourselves this evening. Plumber called and talked me through how to do it, he said he wasn't to know that it wouldn't fit and I couldn't help but slightly tersely point out that I had in fact offered to show him the unit. Only cost a fiver or so to correct ourselves but more the principle I guess. We're having real issues with finding reliable tradespeople at the moment and have a whole house to do so feels a bit daunting. At least we're learning new skills I guess! 😅

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CasperGutman · 08/02/2022 20:42

I wonder if the issue is that you were expecting the pipe to be perfectly positioned for you to just connect the waste from the vanity unit, whereas a plumber fitting the vanity unit would only expect to have a waste pipe available somewhere in vaguely the right area and would see installation of the vanity unit as including tweaking the pipework to connect the two together, IYSWIM.

The plumber has done "first fix" plumbing for the new sink: modifying the pipework to service the right area in the room where they're needed. He hasn't done "second fix" because this is done when the sanitary appliance (in this case the vanity unit) is eventually installed.

When we had our extension done last year, the electrical and plumbing work was always split this way.

whyohwhyohwhyohwhywhy · 08/02/2022 20:43

It looks like you are resolved now so I have nothing to add other than - congrats on having a functioning loo. I hope it makes your life easier!!!

mummabubs · 08/02/2022 20:48

@CasperGutman The plumber knows we're doing as much as we can ourselves due to money, so. He knew that we would be fitting the unit ourselves and that we'd already bought it and had it in the house. It was actually him who told us to get a unit and fit it ourselves so he 100% knew what his work was paving the way for 😅 Oh well.

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mummabubs · 08/02/2022 20:51

@whyohwhyohwhyohwhywhy

It looks like you are resolved now so I have nothing to add other than - congrats on having a functioning loo. I hope it makes your life easier!!!
Oh we're a long way from having a loo back in I fear 🤣 That's currently sat in the garage. We're now waiting on a carpenter to come and install a new door opening the other way so that we can fit the toilet in, he's been telling us he's coming for over two weeks. Honestly we're having really bad luck with getting professionals in but we also know that there are some jobs that go beyond our skill level... Hanging new doors is one of them!
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TiddleTaddleTat · 08/02/2022 22:05

Totally feel your pain. We too have ended up doing loads, not willingly but simply because we can’t get trades in. With the amount of work out there at the moment I think they are just picking the bigger/easier and most lucrative jobs, and I can’t blame them for that really. It does make things tricky.
On the other hand, I really don’t like having trades in the house under my feet so prefer to do things ourselves where we can, at our own pace (slow!!!)

mummabubs · 09/02/2022 11:00

@TiddleTaddleTat I'm sorry you're going through this too, it's a mare. I keep trying to see the positives (like you say, going at our own pace, not having people under our feet and saving money whilst learning skills). We took on our house for the location and knowing it would need a lot of work, I don't know how I'd have felt about taking it on if I'd realised how hard it would be to get people in to do the things that we can't do. To top it off the carpenter didn't show up yesterday and isn't responding to messages so I'm now on the hunt for another one of those 🤦🏻‍♀️

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TiddleTaddleTat · 09/02/2022 12:20

@mummabubs solidarity ! We had a bit of a grumpy plasterer who did similar. He also bodged some areas which I have had to fix afterwards. After paying. Similar thing happened with a joiner who fitted our doors. Lesson learned - I am no longer going to be quite as quick to pay up. Inspect everything really thoroughly first!

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