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Tenant wants to put in new bathroom

167 replies

Rzim · 03/01/2022 00:01

At their expense - have said they will let me approve the bathroom set. This sounds too
Good to be true -
She has only been in for 3 months - is this normal

OP posts:
mugoftea456 · 03/01/2022 10:21

You need to replace the bathroom

mumda · 03/01/2022 10:21

I would suggest you say no.

  1. Your responsibility to the mortgage company, tenant, and yourself as landlord is to keep the property in good working order.
  2. You can not control or supervise works you are not paying for. You might get a rubbish job done and then the house needs more serious work doing. This would then be down to you as the tenants could easily leave.
  3. If the property is "shabby" then let them decorate if they want it to look nicer.
  4. Environmentally people ripping out bathrooms for no good reason is sinful.
  5. If it needs repairing then repair or replace.
  6. Consider the rent you're charging - is it fair for the property? Landlords round here seem to put the rent up every year by £100 a month whilst doing no improvements on the properties. If your rent fits with what they're getting then do nothing.
  7. What if the next tenants don't like the bathroom this lot put in?
  8. Be prepared for "accidental damage" - which might mean you need to replace the bathroom. Cheap baths are easier to break. If you've got a good quality bath then let that stay.
  9. Baths can be re-enameled if that's the problem
Butchyrestingface · 03/01/2022 10:22

Ppl saying it must be dreadful if tenant wants to replace it, it can't be that bad if they decided to live there in the first place

I've seen a few threads recently from posters bemoaning the fact they can't get a property to rent for love or money. If there's a shortfall, may not be the case that this flat is in a reasonable condition, so much as the prospective tenants are so desperate they'll take just about anything.

LethargicActress · 03/01/2022 10:22

OP, ignore the posters telling you that you should be replacing the bathroom. Considering they haven’t seen the bathroom in question, they have no idea.

If you are considering going ahead with this, be very careful. I wouldn’t allow them to remove a bath and exchange for only a shower, even if they are going to pay for it. You’d also need to make sure that they chose something fairly neutral, and have a legal agreement drawn up to protect yourself. It may be that after legal advice, it turns out not to be such a good idea. If you have an agent, they might be able to talk you through the potential problems with this.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 03/01/2022 10:23

@traka

Ppl saying it must be dreadful if tenant wants to replace it, it can't be that bad if they decided to live there in the first place

If it's fit for purpose then that's all the LL needs to provide. If the shower isn't heating up for example then that's not acceptable and a different matter

That's not necessarily the case at all - they could have had no choice but to move out and this was all they could afford.
Fuckaduck21 · 03/01/2022 10:23

I'm a tenant and have just put a new kitchen in our house. We compromised no rent increase for us covering the cost AND signed a 5 year tenancy agreement. We've been here nearly 8 years already but the kitchen has always been a bug bear of ours, it was "functional", just, but was just awfully laid out and put together by an absolute cowboy...when it came to taking it out, it literally just fell to pieces as it was rotten but that wasn't visible just by looking at it..you clearly know the bathroom is shit, either pay for it yourself or come up with a compromise with your tenant should they cover the cost (like our long tenancy agreement and no rent increase)

FindingMeno · 03/01/2022 10:25

You should do it.
I know someone who replaced a bathroom in a rental because the old one was in very poor condition.
They cut corners though because they knew any long term problems wouldn't affect them.

stingofthebutterfly · 03/01/2022 10:28

Most people are not being judgemental. You described the bathroom as old and shabby. You did not mention it was a second home, or a second bathroom. You didn't mention the reduced rent either. People can only comment on what they read.

Either way, it's up to you, as the landlord, to replace old and shabby fixtures and fittings. Not the tenant.

TueWed · 03/01/2022 10:31

@VintageCookbook

Yes, I'm confused about this too. They rented the property seeing the bathroom as it is

Perhaps they had no other choice.

And probably won't want to pay more monthly rent if improvements are made
Enzbear · 03/01/2022 10:34

We have two rental properties. Op you should really keep your rental in decent condition all round. Get some quotes and replace it yourself, it should last years. If the bathroom by your admission is shabby it makes me wonder what the rest of the property is like.
Spending on maintaining our properties is in our interest not just the tenants, the value increases over time, the rent is worth it and if we have happy tenants they generally look after the place especially as we allow pets.

ScribblingPixie · 03/01/2022 10:39

Have a think about any work you can do at the same time that will do you some favours. Our tenant wanted an improved kitchen so we agreed on the design and fittings (she suggested several and we rejected two) & paid for it ourselves & the work so that we could control the quality; she paid for extra white goods & will sell them before she goes. We took the opportunity to have windows upgraded and ventilation improved at the same time. If it's going to increase the value/rentability of the flat it's fair to pay or at least contribute, I think.

Lineofconcepcion · 03/01/2022 10:39

@Sitchervice

This is why I don't like landlords, they always think about money. If the bathroom needs improvement and you would hate to use it yourself. Do something about it!

Don't let your tenents live in a place you wouldn't live in yourself. It's not fair!

Do you think landlords always think about money because it's a business?
Zandathepanda · 03/01/2022 10:40

If it has a coloured suite and it is in good condition, they seem to be ebayable. However, if it is indeed ‘shabby’ you should pay for a new bathroom and the plumbers to fit. Get her to chose and you agree by all means. Then put the rent up a small amount to cover it. So your tenant and you are even but you’ve paid for it, she gets a nice bathroom but paying for it gradually over a few years.

Crotiq · 03/01/2022 10:46

Lolz…..landlords are hilarious

I pay way below market rent for my house because it’s literally falling apart. That’s fine for me.

Every few years some 18 year old letting agent takes over the property and writes a poorly spelt earnest letter telling me they are putting the rent up.

I email them back and ask them to please come and have a look round first

They back out of the door ten mins later and I never hear from them again

NowEvenBetter · 03/01/2022 10:47

You wrote and posted a thread for people to read, judge, and reply on. Why whine about it? Do up the shitty bathroom yourself, obviously.

VaguelyInteresting · 03/01/2022 10:48

Ultimate drip feed, OP

OnaBegonia · 03/01/2022 10:53

we change our minds in a few months and want the property back
tenant doesn't even know they have no security with this LL 🙄

AnxiousWeirdo · 03/01/2022 11:01

Our bathroom was awful so we replaced it, the landlady ended up giving us the money back through rent but we didn't expect her to

elbea · 03/01/2022 11:07

@Nanny0gg yes, I’m not going to be ripping out a perfectly fine bathroom because it won’t look nice on Instagram. It’s incredibly wasteful, there aren’t endless resources. As suspected, OP’s bathroom is fine and clean, just 80s taste.

5thHelena · 03/01/2022 11:07

@Rzim

Gosh I forget what a judgemental lot Mumsnetters are!!

It's a second home for the tenant - she has got a below market rental rate due to the second bathroom - which is perfectly clean and works very well - just an '80s vibe and she wants something brand new and up to date!

Thank you for some of the useful advice above though without the judgements!

I have just looked up the word shabby... a description you used yourself to describe your own property : 'in poor condition through long use or lack of care.' And you're moaning for being judged then trying to justify this horrible old bathroom by saying 'yes but it's their second home.' What about the next tenant? Or the previous one? Put your hand in your pocket and get the place up to scratch before offering it out to others to live in!
StellaGibson118 · 03/01/2022 11:08

Why drip feed and then tell us we are unreasonable? We didn't have all the information. Lots of people here (myself included) have had bad experiences with landlords who seem to think because we can't afford to buy that we should live in mould, damp, shitty conditions.

nineteensixy · 03/01/2022 11:15

I'm a landlord and would definitely pay for this myself, although if they were new tenants I'd expect them to have raised this before signing the tenancy agreement. With an existing tenant it would depend on (a) whether I agreed the work needed doing - sounds like it does in the OP's case. And (b) how affordable it is. I might offer to do it after 6 months or a year if I didn't have the money at the time.

These kind of things add to the value and appeal of my property, keep tenants happy and makes them more likely to stay longer. All of that benefits me, whereas tenants they have very little long term security under UK law, so they might be spending a lot of money on something they won't see much benefit from. Even if I had every intention of letting them stay long term, nobody knows what's round the corner for either landlord or tenant, so they could move on for all sorts of reasons. Basically they would be giving me money by doing this, and I wouldn't feel comfortable accepting that.

WombatChocolate · 03/01/2022 11:16

Unless a tenant is there very long term and has already been there for multiple years, most LLs would not entertain this as an idea.

It is up to LLs to maintain property. Between tenancies is the usual time for updates. At that point, the potential tenant takes the property as seen. If there is anything they are not happy with/want changed, they say BEFORE signing and LL either agrees to make changes or doesn’t. On that basis, the tenancy goes ahead or doesn’t.

LLs shouldn’t be re-letting with a shabby bathroom. However, if the price reflects this and the tenant accepts the condition, then this could be okay. It is unusual for tenants to agree to do work ahead of tenancy but this could be possible as part of reduced rent.

As a LL, I certainly would ensure any work was done ahead of a new tenancy. I would not want a tenant engaging in works. There is a lack of communication tool over quality and it muddies the waters. A LL always needs the option to give legal notice and although a tenant having done work wouldn’t interfere with that, it could confuse the situation…..especially for a LL like OP who doesn’t sound entirely clear about usual LL behaviour.

So as a LL I would do all work ahead of new tenancy. If a tenant then ended up staying multiple years, I would look to do any necessary work after perhaps 3-5 years, as that’s the timescale you’d be looking at decorating or changing carpets anyway. I would ask them if they wanted the work done, as there could be some disruption. As existing tenants, the work would benefit them and I wouldn’t expect to give discounts on rent if the work was purely optional for them to choose or turn down, and the work was brief and not vital. If they didn’t want the work done, they could say ‘no’. In that case, I’d wait until tenancy change, which is best anyway, but as a courtesy, I’d offer Ling term tenants decoration or carpets, or something else needed. I would t expect to be fitting new bathrooms or kitchens until tenancy change, unless a tenancy turned into extremely long term…..but then I’d also have expected all of these to be decent before the tenant started. So no-one should find themselves living with a shabby bathroom if it was decent and newish when taken over, unless they are there for many multiple years.

So personally, I’d say ‘no’ to the request, but I’d also not find myself there becaue Id have done the work previously.

It’s important to do Landlording right. This means you do the work upfront and pay for it. It’s your responsibility. When this happens, requests by tenants to do work, which are tricky and mean you lose control and can face a crap job, either don’t happen as the requests aren’t needed, or are easily turned down, because decent quality has already been provided.

I would be happy to let tenants do basic painting/decoration using neutral colours if they had been in the property for a year and were extending the tenancy. This is always on the basis that any damage is made good, and any poor quality workmanship is made good at their expense. I don’t allow it in the first year as too often, a poor job is done and this then in reality involves cost to me in righting it….and that’s okay if a tenant has been there a couple of years, but not if it turns out to be just 6 months. I’m willing to bear an element if cost here for a longer term tenant and because I understand people like to personalise their homes. The trouble that people often miss with this, is that it often involves further time and expense for the Landlord in terms of righting poor work, before the next tenant appears. The tent as often say they will right any damage or pay for it, but the reality of getting this is quite difficult. That’s why many LLs simply refuse. Most will refuse those in the early stage of a tenancy…after all…who knows how new tenants will turn out and if they will stay around, or turn into troublesome tenants. Tenants doing work frequently involves costs for LLs so it’s understandable that until tenants are a known quantity, it is refused and larger jobs not allowed, but something the LL arranges and indeed pays for.

Nanny0gg · 03/01/2022 11:17

@traka

Ppl saying it must be dreadful if tenant wants to replace it, it can't be that bad if they decided to live there in the first place

If it's fit for purpose then that's all the LL needs to provide. If the shower isn't heating up for example then that's not acceptable and a different matter

Glad you’re not my landlord.

Where I live there are no rental properties available, so if one comes on the market they’re snapped up, whatever their condition.

It might be all the landlord needs to provide, but if you want good, long-term tenants, how about providing them with something that can be a home?

TooSpotty · 03/01/2022 11:19

A drip feed feels very appropriate given the subject of the thread.