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PAS 9980 - "Is the UK’s Cladding Crisis About to Get Even Worse?"

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ldnflatbuyer2021 · 26/09/2021 20:58

www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/09/is-the-uks-cladding-crisis-about-to-get-even-worse.html

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^In the next few months the Fire Safety Act will make it a legal requirement to check the external walls of all blocks with two or more flats — even sub-divided period homes. The PAS 9980 is due to replace the government advice that triggered the mortgage crisis later this year. If most assessors choose to use the new PAS, or “publicly available specification”, which the government commissioned from the British Standards Institute (BSI), it could affect almost 12 million people in all 4.9 million flats in England, of which two thirds are private leasehold.

“There will be a huge queue. There will be people who can’t afford the assessments. There will be people who are stuck in limbo. It will jeopardise property sales,” Evans says. He adds that PAS 9980 is “terrible news” for people in smaller blocks, who pinned their hopes on the July announcement by Robert Jenrick, the housing secretary, that buildings under 18m would no longer need an EWS1 form…

Evans believes this code, which is voluntary, will be “a catastrophe for residents and property owners that could lock up the market for flats for years”. On Thursday he will warn MPs and peers in a speech at an all-party parliamentary group that “this document must not come into effect”. ^

I've also already seen a few articles like www.leaseholdknowledge.com/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-building-safety-bill-has-second-reading-in-the-commons/ and www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-building-safety-form-could-make-all-flats-harder-to-sell-in-england-ts05trvfx.

Do you think this might have an effect on the flat market as it seems like another painful experience for flat owners?

As someone who was thinking of buying a flat now (London area), seems like it's best if I just look into freehold houses in outer London...

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catsjammies · 26/09/2021 21:28

I really hope this doesn't go through. There are so many people who's lives have been destroyed with the cladding issues, this would be a nightmare.

For us included. We are fine for cladding but we're on the market right now trying to sell, it would be a huge hit to our family!

BlakeDreary · 26/09/2021 21:35

I personally think the flat market is going to be a nightmare for at least the next 5 years. I work in construction and read daily construction news for my industry. There are many contractors refusing to replace combustible cladding and the whole liability for the issue is a massive shitshow. It's going to take years to resolve the issues.

On top of that building fire regs change all the time. We completed building some flats last year and have already had to change the design for the next set of flats as the previous design does not conform with the new updated building regs.

I personally wouldn't buy in a block of flats as building regs change all the time but the building doesn't get updated to reflect the change.

Okigen · 27/09/2021 09:31

I'm buying a flat and find the whole legal system around it idiotic. We simply don't have enough land to give everyone a house especially here in London, yet the system seems to be designed to deter people even more from buying a flat Confused

ldnflatbuyer2021 · 27/09/2021 10:17

@Okigen

I'm buying a flat and find the whole legal system around it idiotic. We simply don't have enough land to give everyone a house especially here in London, yet the system seems to be designed to deter people even more from buying a flat Confused
Yeah exactly - this is very nerve wracking for me - imagine being unable to remortgage or sell due to missing this form OR having this form done and then getting hit with a major remediation bill that reduces the value of your property.
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PigletJohn · 27/09/2021 13:45

Sooner or later public funds will be needed to remedy dangerous building bought by people who were unaware of the danger.

I doubt that the builders or suppliers of flammable materials will be asked to put their hands in their pockets.

In unconnected news, housebuilding companies are noted contributors to a political party.

PigletJohn · 27/09/2021 13:50

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with government footdragging.

Property tycoons gave Conservatives £11m in past year

Property developers gave Tories £891,000 in first quarter of 2021

[[https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/a-fifth-of-tory-party-donations-from-property-sector/5112738.article
A fifth of Tory party donations from property sector]]

BlakeDreary · 27/09/2021 14:31

@PigletJohn

Sooner or later public funds will be needed to remedy dangerous building bought by people who were unaware of the danger.

I doubt that the builders or suppliers of flammable materials will be asked to put their hands in their pockets.

In unconnected news, housebuilding companies are noted contributors to a political party.

I can assure you that contractors are having to fork out the re-cladding costs themselves for private housing!

www.constructionenquirer.com/2021/06/24/crest-nicholson-recladding-bill-jumps-to-23m/

It's not news that a lot of building companies are associated with the Tories...have you been living under a rock? Why do you think the Government were so keen for the construction industry to continue throughout the pandemic! They (and their friends) all are stakeholders in the industry. Not sure what this has to do with the cladding scandal though or did you just want to get a political rant off your chest?

ldnflatbuyer2021 · 27/09/2021 19:53

Still - the risk is that lenders stop lending and only a small number of flats can be sold after PAS 9980 is done - which might take years to do in London or so.

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onlychildhamster · 09/10/2021 09:43

It wouldn't affect all flats. Based on the draft, flats of traditional masonry and pre 1960s not covered by PAS9980.

PAS 9980 - "Is the UK’s Cladding Crisis About to Get Even Worse?"
PAS 9980 - "Is the UK’s Cladding Crisis About to Get Even Worse?"
Sez1982 · 09/12/2021 05:15

I'm in Kent and in a building under 18m there has been further discussions that the guidelines will be updated in the PAS9980.

I am hoping that this will mean I can sell.

I am not sure if I fully understand it though, has anyone seen this update?

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