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Extension and loft conversion - wait and see or rethink plans?

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PermanentlyDizzy · 15/09/2021 12:27

We are finally, after almost 20 years in this house, in a position to do the work we have always wanted to. Sod’s Law re timing, means that the work we have spent years thinking through and hoped to have done is now almost definitely going to be too expensive, thanks to all the current problems with builders and supplies, etc. We spent years putting a lot of thought into how things could work and what we could afford to do and now it’s all up in the air.

We’re early on in the process anyway - just approaching architects - but can’t decide if we should just scale everything right back and not pay for plans for something that, if things don’t settle on the building works front, we may never afford - or may have to wait years to be able to release enough equity to afford.

We definitely need an extra bedroom and bigger kitchen. We currently have a downstairs bathroom and the plan was to do a two-storey extension and loft conversion, retain a downstairs shower room, install a bathroom upstairs and hopefully, if feasible, fit an en-suite into the loft-conversion. To do the loft/stairs and first-floor bathroom we will lose a first-floor bedroom, hence the need for the two-storey rear extension as well, to replace the loss of that room. That extension would also significantly improve the size of our kitchen/diner and essentially free up the current kitchen area to become a second reception room.

The absolute minimum we need is an extra bedroom (disabled ds who needs to stop sharing with his sibling) and ideally a bigger/improved kitchen. We can manage with one downstairs bathroom, but it is a pain with two adults and three teen dcs. (We have two disabled dcs and are expecting to have them at home indefinitely, hence the need for an extra bedroom to give everyone their own space.)

Option 1 - Go ahead, get plans drawn up for the two storey extension, plus loft conversion and see if things have settled down once we’re through the planning stage. (I’m thinking this is likely to be 2023 anyway.)

Option 2 - Staged approach? A ground floor rear extension to provide a stop-gap bedroom for ds, plus a small extension to the kitchen and retain the ground floor bathroom. With one eye to the future, plan to have footings/foundations of the extension made suitable for a potential second floor sometime in the future. So we still have the possibility of option 1 at some point, incorporating ds’ new ground-floor bedroom as the new kitchen and shifting him upstairs into the first-floor extension.

Moving isn’t an option for multiple reasons I won’t bore you with, so we need to decide how best to improve our living space in the house we have and whether to do it in stages or just completely rethink/downsize the whole plan and live with whatever we can afford, which will still be better than what we have now.

Fwiw, we aren’t likely to move on and dh and I see this as our forever house. I jointly inherited the property with a sibling, so have effectively only paid half of the value for it, leaving us with 50% equity to do the works. The staged option won’t increase the value or saleability of the property, but will make it much easier for us to live in. The initial/dream plan would significantly increase the value and saleability (it is essentially the cheapest house in an expensive area at the moment) so any investment in building works would provide a return above the amount of equity released - not that we ever plan to sell.

I have been going round in circles trying to work out the best way forward. Do we wait and see what happens with the building works situation and hope we can implement option 1 in 2023 or do you think the situation is unlikely to improve that much, so we are better off just doing what we can to make living here more comfortable?

If we had been able to do it a couple of years back there wouldn’t have been a question. We could have afforded option 1 via releasing equity and would have not only improved our living situation, but also significantly increased the value and saleability of the house - win/win.

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PermanentlyDizzy · 15/09/2021 19:56

@Calmdown14 There’s no way we could stay while the work is done. We have found a perfect short-term let just up the road that we are praying will be available, plus another couple a bit further away that could work but would mean one of us driving dd to school every day.

We factored renting locally into our initial costings, so will have to hope rental prices don’t increase too much in the meantime. Failing that, we’ll do a mix of airbnb and staying with IL’s, dh and one dc to his parents, the other two dc and me to my parents. Alternatively, both sets of ILs regularly go on prolonged holidays/trips, so if we can time it right, we might be able to borrow one house, then the other and all stay together. It’s all dependent on the timing really. There aren’t many rentals locally and they tend to be really expensive when they do become available.

We won’t be going for anything fancy or quality, so no granite or huge sliding/folding doors etc, just plain and simple. We’re planning for mid-range, ‘ok’ quality. We can always upgrade at a later stage if we want to. At this stage of our lives, it’s more about getting the space right for our needs than having a stunning house.

We don’t have a garage, but if we can get our act together, we can clear our storage unit to put things in if needs be.

We have already considered the possibility of going to first fix, then getting individual tradesmen in gradually to complete the finish and would be fine to do this if it we really can’t afford to get the whole thing completed in one go. The only issue there is that ds1 has an OCD phobia of building materials, so it would have to be very carefully handled if we went that route and he may have to stay with my parents until the whole lot is completed.

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PermanentlyDizzy · 15/09/2021 19:59

@Philandbill Thank you. I am hoping I will be looking back and being thankful in a year or so! It has been frustrating being able to see how good it could be while we waited to reach the point where we could get the work done. Dh struggles a bit with visualising how it could work, but I have thought it through so many times that I can see how it will all look when it’s finished and I’m confident it will be great - if, we can just ensure we can afford it and survive the build!

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Ohhelppp · 15/09/2021 20:14

Placemarking! In the same boat!

Philandbill · 15/09/2021 20:33

I actually think waiting to get big work done isn't such a bad thing. We moved into our house with the hope of eventually building an extension. It took seven years of waiting until we could afford it (and living with a pokey, 1980s kitchen Shock) but in that time we realised that we could fit in a downstairs loo and a shower by using the under stairs space. If we'd done the extension at once I don't think we'd have worked that out. And with teens a second shower has been very useful. All good things come to he who waits etc.....

PermanentlyDizzy · 15/09/2021 20:46

@Philandbill, yes, there’s a lot to be said for living somewhere and really getting to know the space before you do any major work. I think we qualify there… I moved in for the first time when I was six months old! Moved out for a decade, back in my early twenties for a couple of years, out again when I got married, then finally moved back permanently 18 years ago!

In all that time, I have had a grand total of three kitchen drawers, one single unit and one double, which is squished into a corner by the oven, making access to the back impossible and less than a metre of work top space!

Thankfully, we still have the original pantry, which doubles as a utility. For years my main storage was a large Ikea butchers block/bench with baskets underneath with a couple of shelves above. Then I had a lovely larder cupboard for a significant birthday and that’s tardis-like in it’s storage capacity! Grin

I agree about teens and showers - it’s even worse if one teen has OCD and has at least one, often several, hour long showers a day! Thankfully the bathroom and toilet aren’t in the same room.

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CasperGutman · 16/09/2021 07:19

I don't think I'd go with your option 2 - building a single storey extension - with a roof - and then modifying it to be double storey - and removing the roof - will cost much more than building full height in one go.

I'm curious as to whether it could be more sensible to split it with phase one being the two storey extension and phase two the loft conversion. I suppose you'd still have the disadvantage of moving out twice, if the house wouldn't be habitable during either of the phases, but at least you'd avoid spending loadsamoney on work that's only needed temporarily?

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