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Anyone not being picky - and STILL can't find anything?

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PessimisticOptimist · 11/09/2021 12:03

We've been on the hunt for 18 months. In that time, we've expanded our search area and budget. We've offered on four houses - three times we were outbid by developers and one time they decided not to sell. But nothing has come on for us to view in the last couple of months.

I guess I'm looking for a support group on here to commiserate with me 😂

Everyone we talk to says:

  • The market is crazy right now
  • It will settle down
  • More will become available eventually
  • Just be patient

But I worry about getting priced out of the market if we wait too long. How long do we wait for the "right" house?

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FanGirlX · 28/11/2021 21:12

Why is this thread not showing in my active threads ?

DaisyNGO · 28/11/2021 23:32

@FanGirlX

Why is this thread not showing in my active threads ?
We're hopelessly inert? 😂
ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 29/11/2021 07:14

@DaisyNGO
I wonder if - unlike the housing market- we’re slowing down for Christmas 🤣🤣

Starseeking · 29/11/2021 07:58

I don't think there'll be much coming on from now until the new year as everyone is starting to focus on Christmas. Plus the weather has taken such a cold turn; who wants to be trekking round doing viewings in this?!?

areyouhavingagiraffe · 29/11/2021 08:51

@DaisyNGO, my original reasons for selling my flat was to "upgrade" to a house with a garden. I loved my flat and my little place, and we had communal gardens but I wanted private outdoor space, used to hate it in the Summer.
However, my reasons for wanting if off my hands quickly came about as we were going through solicitors inquiries. My flat sold very quickly, for over asking price. However, there were so many potential pitfalls during the Sale, and I naively didn't know about any of these when I bought it 16 yrs ago, such as:

  • Ground rent clauses. Mine did not have a doubling but the Buyers Solicitors was throwing caution to the wind and asking for a deed of variation. After researching this I realise this is a MASSIVE issue on a lot of leasehold properties. I did a lot of research and fought my corner (my Solicitor did not), and I managed to bat this away. This can scare many Buyers away, and Lenders also have very strict rules. So these properties could become unmortgageable in a few years, indeed my flat will have a ground rent which will exceed 0.01% of property value in a year or two which could be an issue
  • Service charges; again many Lenders have strict and constantly changing criteria on this
  • Cladding; my block did not have cladding, was traditional cavity wall type construction. However, we don't know how the EWS1 requirements will change (and they are changing). I know some people who have balconies for example have needed to get these EWS1. In a nutshell the criteria is changing all the time, and we are at the mercy of the freeholder, as we cannot undertake the EWS1 ourselves.
-Fire; requirements for fire safety check and risk assessments, again needed by Lender. Again, we are at the mercy of the freeholder for this. If there is anything risky in there, the Lender may not lend. I had no idea about all of these things when I bought, and obvs none of us could foresee the Grenfell tragedy. For me, the biggest risk is the ground rent, and the changing legislation around what paperwork is needed for the sale of flats (i.e EWS1). I understand that just after Grenfell, all Lenders were asking for this for ALL flats. Now it is limited to certain flats, but who knows how things could change.
  • Lease; mine was 125 yrs when I bought, and had 115 yrs when I sold. But once under 80 yrs it is difficult to sell as it will cost more to extend the lease.
Anyway, those I believe are the main issues.
areyouhavingagiraffe · 29/11/2021 09:11

@DaisyNGO, for me, selling my flat was the most stressful experience , I had no idea about any of these things when I bought. I don't regret buying it because I now have a sizeable deposit for a house, which I would never have been able to get hold of. However, I do think I have been one of the lucky ones.

FanGirlX · 29/11/2021 11:15

@DaisyNGO

I enjoy this thread and I have to go hunting for it, rather than it just popping up. Think it must be to do with MNHQ's algorithm.

FanGirlX · 29/11/2021 11:15

[quote areyouhavingagiraffe]@DaisyNGO, for me, selling my flat was the most stressful experience , I had no idea about any of these things when I bought. I don't regret buying it because I now have a sizeable deposit for a house, which I would never have been able to get hold of. However, I do think I have been one of the lucky ones.[/quote]
Exactly the same here.

Eastie77Returns · 29/11/2021 11:26

[quote areyouhavingagiraffe]@DaisyNGO, my original reasons for selling my flat was to "upgrade" to a house with a garden. I loved my flat and my little place, and we had communal gardens but I wanted private outdoor space, used to hate it in the Summer.
However, my reasons for wanting if off my hands quickly came about as we were going through solicitors inquiries. My flat sold very quickly, for over asking price. However, there were so many potential pitfalls during the Sale, and I naively didn't know about any of these when I bought it 16 yrs ago, such as:

  • Ground rent clauses. Mine did not have a doubling but the Buyers Solicitors was throwing caution to the wind and asking for a deed of variation. After researching this I realise this is a MASSIVE issue on a lot of leasehold properties. I did a lot of research and fought my corner (my Solicitor did not), and I managed to bat this away. This can scare many Buyers away, and Lenders also have very strict rules. So these properties could become unmortgageable in a few years, indeed my flat will have a ground rent which will exceed 0.01% of property value in a year or two which could be an issue
  • Service charges; again many Lenders have strict and constantly changing criteria on this
  • Cladding; my block did not have cladding, was traditional cavity wall type construction. However, we don't know how the EWS1 requirements will change (and they are changing). I know some people who have balconies for example have needed to get these EWS1. In a nutshell the criteria is changing all the time, and we are at the mercy of the freeholder, as we cannot undertake the EWS1 ourselves.
-Fire; requirements for fire safety check and risk assessments, again needed by Lender. Again, we are at the mercy of the freeholder for this. If there is anything risky in there, the Lender may not lend. I had no idea about all of these things when I bought, and obvs none of us could foresee the Grenfell tragedy. For me, the biggest risk is the ground rent, and the changing legislation around what paperwork is needed for the sale of flats (i.e EWS1). I understand that just after Grenfell, all Lenders were asking for this for ALL flats. Now it is limited to certain flats, but who knows how things could change.
  • Lease; mine was 125 yrs when I bought, and had 115 yrs when I sold. But once under 80 yrs it is difficult to sell as it will cost more to extend the lease.
Anyway, those I believe are the main issues.[/quote] Literally all of these items were a factor for me in deciding to sell as well.

There were so many issues I had no idea would be a 'thing' when it came to selling a flat and it was an eye opener. I was stressed throughout the sale wondering what might derail everything.

For example, my Freeholder did not have a sinking fund so the buyer's solicitor flagged this as a concern because I had to pay extra on top of my service charge last year to cover some repairs.

The solicitor also requested an EWS1 which I didn't have. I don't even know how that enquiry went away but the sale went ahead without it.

There was a Fire Safety Assessment carried out at some point in 2020 which I sent on to the buyer's solicitor. No idea if it would pass muster if I was selling now.

When I was in the process of buying the flat the lease was originally 99 years and just before I finalised the purchase my solicitor at the time called a halt to everything and said it had to amended to 125 years. As a young FTB I had no idea what any of this meant and was annoyed at her for causing a delay. Thank goodness for her oversight as I fortunately had 112 years left when I sold.

I don't think I could cope with the stress of a leasehold again.

DaisyNGO · 29/11/2021 11:26

Thanks for the answers giraffe

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DaisyNGO · 29/11/2021 11:28

Cross post
Waves to Eastie

areyouhavingagiraffe · 29/11/2021 12:37

@Eastie77Returns and @FanGirlX - I feel really shit that I still don't have an onward purchase, and am staying with folks. But every now and then I have a reality check and think about the Sale of my flat and how many times I thought I would be stuck with an unsellable / unmortgageable property....and actually am counting my lucky stars. I really hope that one day I will have a house; I have the cash and mortgage AIP to do so, just need to find somewhere.
The EWS1 came up on mine, and I just had to confirm there was no cladding. Think it is a "standard" enquiry on all flats, but it is the Lender that ultimately decides if it needed, and they will value a property at zero when them do their valuation and there is some cladding, or even certain balconies.

areyouhavingagiraffe · 29/11/2021 12:40

@Eastie77Returns, also had a FRA from 2020....it highlighted some minor issues, but there was the stress of sending that to the Buyers Solicitor who could have flagged to Lender if they thought it was unacceptable. As I said before, we are just at the mercy of the freeholder. I even had to get the freeholders permission to sell!

FanGirlX · 29/11/2021 12:44

[quote areyouhavingagiraffe]**@Eastie77Returns* and @FanGirlX - I feel really shit that I still don't have an onward purchase, and am staying with folks. But every now and then I have a reality check* and think about the Sale of my flat and how many times I thought I would be stuck with an unsellable / unmortgageable property....and actually am counting my lucky stars. I really hope that one day I will have a house; I have the cash and mortgage AIP to do so, just need to find somewhere.
The EWS1 came up on mine, and I just had to confirm there was no cladding. Think it is a "standard" enquiry on all flats, but it is the Lender that ultimately decides if it needed, and they will value a property at zero when them do their valuation and there is some cladding, or even certain balconies.[/quote]
I'm in the same situation. I'd like a home for DD and I again. Staying with relatives is fine and I'm saving money (I have to keep telling myself that I'm actually in a rather fortunate position).

I just hope more houses become available in the NY and that prices stabilise.

Eastie77Returns · 29/11/2021 13:27

I'm sure the New Year will bring an avalanche of new properties...well at least I have to keep telling myself that to keep my sanityGrin.

As for my ongoing purchase, well vendor's solicitor is still not in a position to issue the contract pack. Last week (or was it two weeks ago? I rarely keep track now as I've lost the will) the EA claimed my vendor hadn't fully instructed the solicitor yet because she can't use e-mail so hadn't been able to send across some documentation.

This week there's still a delay because the vendor 'needs a scanner' to send the documents which she doesn't have so the EA has invited her to his office so she can scan everything from there. He comes up with a different reason each week. I think 3 weeks ago the delay was because her original solicitor had "passed her to another company" (because everyone knows solicitors routinely turn down business and send customers elsewhere).

I imagine in reality she's got cold feet once again and he is using this time to try and talk her round whilst pacifying me.

Roll on 2022 and new housing stock!

DaisyNGO · 29/11/2021 14:58

Eastie

I do actually find that feasible.

I had to sell a flat - yes it was leasehold Grin - that my parents inherited, and I had to use Power of Attorney to sell, as my parents are in their 80s and felt unable to cope with it.

The solicitor who did the probate and the PofA told us very honestly that they were overwhelmed with work and could not accept this job.- this was during the stamp duty holiday.

My mum was unreasonably cross but as I said to her, I'd much rather the solicitor turned down the work rather than do a terrible job on it or be late with everything.

I then ended up using the EA solicitor who originally wanted everything done via their computer portal. That might have been okay but they hadn't set up a power of attorney option, so everything had to be done by email or post.

I asked them to post most documents to avoid having to print everything - copies for me, and for mum and dad.

I can imagine there are some solicitors out there who are refusing post altogether and ask for scanned emails or insist you use their computer systems. I'm girding myself for that problem when we do this. I bloody hate the way tech is going.

When I bought this place, most things happened by email but now it looks like there's so many tech companies making money out of portals etc.

anyway, if the vendor insists on doing everything on paper I can see why.

I've got one friend seeking a new accountant - she runs her own business - because hers has now gone to an online portal and she's literally not allowed to email stuff to them. She has to upload it to their online portal herself. They won't take clients who work from paper.

I am surprised that they are operating that kind of business model - won't most people say "I pay an accountant to do this for me" and try to find someone else?

Starseeking · 29/11/2021 21:14

I'm right there with you @Eastie77Returns.

My EA finally forced the Christmas question today.

I then received a response that due to the various reports which need to be prepared by my vendors solicitor, and sent by post, then the subsequent meetings which the vendors solicitor needs to have with the vendor, they will only be in a position to consider whether they want to go ahead in the new year.

The upshot is that they've just bought themselves 5 more weeks of delays, with no guarantee of completing at the end of it. Being a buyer in a sellers market is absolute pants.

Adding up costs, I've lost out on the September stamp duty exemption and my £9k early redemption refund due to not being able to rollover mortgage in time, then if it doesn't go through add survey fees and solicitors fees to boot - yay!

Meanwhile, I'll continue refreshing RM and Zoopla in the hope I can tell them where to go with their property at some point!

Starseeking · 29/11/2021 21:16

Roll on 2022 and the new housing stock!

I couldn't agree more with the above, I'm so sick of being messed about.

RidingMyBike · 30/11/2021 07:20

Our buyers are being really unpleasant - there was a sudden flurry of calls yesterday from the EA who had the buyers on at him because their solicitor hadn't heard from our solicitor and a lot of hyperbole about how it's already been 3 weeks and they want to proceed FAST. They've already done similar once before.

They hadn't even viewed the house 3 weeks ago! Let alone had an offer accepted. Checked with our solicitor who was waiting to hear from theirs about a couple of questions.

We were told 10-16 weeks was the usual timeframe for everything to happen. This is an unusually straightforward sale (they were going to buy next door so searches already done) but they do seem very impatient and keep asking if we're sure we want to go ahead with selling?!

areyouhavingagiraffe · 30/11/2021 08:52

@ByeByeMissAmericanPie It’s time to hunker down and enjoy Christmas

Yes to this. I am also thinking of calling it a day for the year. Have two viewings on Saturday, not even excited about it anymore and wondering whether to just bail out. I need a rest!

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 30/11/2021 09:47

I have one viewing @areyouhavingagiraffe on Saturday and that’s it. I’m not chasing any more.

It’s not really what I want (it’s a semi and I’d like a detached) and having taken a drive by, there is a mahoosive crack above one of the windows in the rendering.

It’s a 3 bed ex council house and they’ve squeezed another bedroom in. It’ll need a large internal remodel which I’m not sure will be worth it.

However, it does have amazing views from the front, and the back garden backs onto the recreation ground... so it’s not all bad.

Anyhoo, like you, I just need a break.
Enjoy a few weeks of self care...!

FanGirlX · 30/11/2021 14:01

Watching this new variant play out. Hope it doesn't restrict new houses coming on the market Confused

wannabeamummysobad · 30/11/2021 14:25

@FanGirlX

Watching this new variant play out. Hope it doesn't restrict new houses coming on the market Confused
I'm having to put my garden flat back on the market because my f@ck!ng FTB pulled out the day of exchange. I'm hoping that the thought of a potential lockdown (if it gets to that) makes having private outside space a plus.

Also hoping that our DH buyer shakes a leg and completes ASAP because she's currently sofa surfing and you can't do that during a lockdown

Megan2018 · 30/11/2021 15:45

We’ve had an offer on ours today, it’s on at an Offers Over price and they’ve offered the price. So it’s a No, as it’s not enough for us to move, but it’s a start. Another person viewed today for the second time but not made an offer yet. Another viewing booked for Sat.

But we have very much got cold feet about selling. We’re going to say no more viewings after this Sat until the New Year so we can fill the house with Christmas tat and overly large trees for our toddler. Then we’ll either go full steam ahead with a proper listing in Jan (got a discreet at the moment), or pull it.
I think the fact that I am willing people to not offer our magic figure speaks volumes. But there is not a single thing out there for us to look at.

RidingMyBike · 30/11/2021 16:30

EA we recently registered with has just sent details of a house she thought we'd like to view:

It's terraced with third bedroom in the attic and on street parking.

We specifically said we want detached, four bedrooms, on no more than ground and first floors and off-road/garage parking. Hmm

Why do they tell you about stuff that's so wildly different to what we asked for?! I could understand if she'd sent thru details of a 4 bed semi with off-road parking!