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Woodfords / Highams Park etc?

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BakingACake87 · 01/09/2021 15:54

Following threads on this but not wanting to derail... moving from small flat in Hackney to find more space for family, now we have baby. I think it's the well worn route of Hackney to London/Essex borders we will be doing.

As usual we want to be as central as possible and with a good commute to Liverpool St. Schools ideally not religious or single sex. We have discounted Walthamstow I think, as it feels similar to Hackney. We are no longer interested in the hipster vibe now we are more family-led, so I think Leyton / Leytonstone would be ruled out too. Assuming Wanstead is too pricey for us, and not sure about schools anyway.

Ive seen South Woodford, Woodford Green and Highams Park all recommended on MN. I need to visit and get to know all three, but broadly speaking what would be the main differences? Particularly in relation to secondary schools, but also general convenience etc for people used to the middle of Hackney. It feels like a scary move but we know we need to do it. Has anyone else done this and found happiness?

Thank you

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Dustyboots · 03/09/2021 23:30

Hoodies are increasing in Highams Park and the Forest stinks of weed.

The shopping centre is very run down and OP - if you're serious about moving there be aware that high rises are planned around the station. Lots of building on the way - same as Walthamstow.

earsup · 04/09/2021 00:34

@Surewhynot

Have you considered Ilford/Clayhall? Still considered as undesirable by some

Possibly because it IS undesirable. If you’re looking at Woodford/Highams Park, I would not touch Ilford/Clayhall with a bargepole. It’s cheap because it’s an awful area. DH lived there for many years and knows it well, plus still has friends there and it’s really gone downhill. Honestly, avoid.

Ilford has 2 very very different parts...Cathedral estate, The Drive etc is or was almost 100% conservative voting middle class jewish...this has changed only in last few years....Ilford Lane is a slum...avoid...HMO's and lots of beggars and dumping but council have been hitting this hard last month...Clayhall was also very Jewish but i suspect they have since fled to golders green etc....like it or not, predominantly jewish areas are generally nice with no anti social issues !..i am not jewish !!
earsup · 04/09/2021 00:38

@Dustyboots

Hoodies are increasing in Highams Park and the Forest stinks of weed.

The shopping centre is very run down and OP - if you're serious about moving there be aware that high rises are planned around the station. Lots of building on the way - same as Walthamstow.

Agree,,,,some posters think its paradise !!....it all depends what time you are out and about !!....the high rise flats scourge is spreading all over waltham forest borough....every scrap of land is used to build a 24 storey block of flats etc....going up everywhere...multiple blocks going up on the old Homebase site now....the council approve every single application for high rises....its so ugly...i know people need homes but these flats are super expensive small boxes...not family homes...!!
Gemma2019 · 04/09/2021 14:52

Nowhere in East London is paradise! But I stand by my opinion that Highams Park and Woodford are great places to live and very convenient for travel to the city. I don't have millions for a house in Chelsea or I would be living there instead.

The new flats are an issue everywhere that's true. They are desperately trying to cover every spare bit of land in Chigwell with flats at the moment. I genuinely don't know who buys these overpriced flats.

Lovecat · 04/09/2021 23:41

Regarding Secondary schools. In the areas you're talking about, there are several state schools as well as the 2 Grammar schools (single sex provision) - Woodbridge, Trinity and Higham's Park, with Wanstead in... Wanstead. Woodbridge is where DD went, it used to have a terrible reputation but money has been poured into it and the then Head did a brilliant job of raising standards. The new Head was rather thrown into it by the pandemic, but he has been really great. Specialises in languages, you can choose from French, Spanish, German or Russian (pre-covid there was a yearly trip to St Petersburg)! Great Music, Drama and English teachers, but not so hot on Maths or Science teaching imo. I'm not sure how far really bright children are stretched. Pastoral care was excellent - DD has dyslexia, dyspraxia, ADHD and anxiety and they really looked after her. I'm rather sad that she hasn't chosen to stay on at their 6th form, but it didn't offer the subjects she wanted. Lots of extra-curricular activities and opportunities if your child wants to take them.

Further into Clayhall and there are Caterham, King Solomon, and Beal. Beal is an academy school and it had a good reputation, but there has been a lot of violence there recently and I know that it has suffered with homophobic bullying. Caterham is a specialist sports school (it has its own swimming pool), but has fairly lousy results; although my nephews and nieces went there and have all done well, so I daresay it's down to the individual child. King Solomon is a religious school, although many of the children are not Jewish - Clayhall was a very Jewish area until about 10 years ago, now it's far more Asian and the school has changed its admission policies. A friend's DD was there until this year and absolutely hated it, one of DD's friends is still there (moved from Beal after said bullying) and his verdict is 'it's okay'. Also parents are expected to tithe on a monthly basis!

Re. Wanstead High, DD originally went there and I had to move her in Y7, at the time (4 years ago now) their discipline and bullying was terrible and they were in denial that there was even a problem. There were also issues around teaching and SEN provision - DD, who doesn't like school much, said she wanted to leave because she felt like she was forgetting stuff she already knew!

Trinity, the Catholic comprehensive, used to have a very good reputation, lots of people faking church attendance to get in, but I'm told it has gone downhill of late. I've heard really good things about Highams Park secondary but I don't know anyone who went there.

The grammar schools are meant to be good, I know several parents at the girls one (Woodford County High) and they were a bit non-committal about it, despite having tutored their children to the nth degree to get them there - the main issues I've heard about are the dilapidated buildings and that it's rather monocultural.

I live in Ilford! Been here 32 years, and it's not all terrible, although the council seem to be committed to making it worse by nodding through every backyard bungalow extension and crappy flat conversion going.

South Ilford is pretty grim - because the housing is relatively cheap it's also got a lot of deprivation, but if you're used to Hackney pre-gentrification then it's not that terrible. I live in the North bit (Off The Drive, as the estate agents call it) and you get a lot of house for your money, big Victorian double-fronted terraces. The Cathedral estate is more 1920s/30s, semi-detacheds with garages. Our neighbours are (mostly) lovely and there is some community spirit but it's definitely not along the middle-class likes of Wanstead, Highams Park or parts of South Woodford. We have a cinema, a theatre and a new arts centre which is pretty whizzy and the coming open-air food market looks like it's going to be really nice. There's also the new Crossrail coming through.

However, one thing that no-one will say directly, and it may or may not influence you, is that it's very Asian. It was a reasonably equal mix of ethnicities when we first moved here, but over the years it has become more and more Asian, specifically Muslim. This may not be an issue for you, it isn't for us, but I know when most people say 'eww, Ilford' it's basically what they mean. However, we have gorgeous parks (Valentines and Wanstead), a relatively decent shopping centre (although Westfield and lockdown has killed off a lot of it) and the transport connections are amazing. We have lots of restaurants, several of which are decent, and a few independent coffee shops as well as Costa and Starbucks.

It's also a ten minute bus ride away from Wanstead, so you can actually afford to take part in the coffee culture if you're not paying their housing prices!

Sorry, that turned into a bit of an essay...

Dustyboots · 04/09/2021 23:50

That's a really helpful essay Lovecat - we're also looking at Secondary schools and places to move to at the moment.

You've made me want to look into Ilford. I didn't realise it had good transport links. Thank you.

Surewhynot · 05/09/2021 06:24

However, one thing that no-one will say directly, and it may or may not influence you, is that it's very Asian. It was a reasonably equal mix of ethnicities when we first moved here, but over the years it has become more and more Asian, specifically Muslim. This may not be an issue for you, it isn't for us, but I know when most people say 'eww, Ilford' it's basically what they mean.

While some people may feel that way, the ethnic mix of the area wasn’t what I had in mind when I said I didn’t like Ilford and I don’t think it’s fair to assume that people don’t like it because a lot of Asians live there. A lot of it has become very run down - lots of crappy HMOs as previously mentioned and a general feeling of neglect.

earsup · 05/09/2021 23:44

@Surewhynot

However, one thing that no-one will say directly, and it may or may not influence you, is that it's very Asian. It was a reasonably equal mix of ethnicities when we first moved here, but over the years it has become more and more Asian, specifically Muslim. This may not be an issue for you, it isn't for us, but I know when most people say 'eww, Ilford' it's basically what they mean.

While some people may feel that way, the ethnic mix of the area wasn’t what I had in mind when I said I didn’t like Ilford and I don’t think it’s fair to assume that people don’t like it because a lot of Asians live there. A lot of it has become very run down - lots of crappy HMOs as previously mentioned and a general feeling of neglect.

well we have a house on the Cathedral estate, inherited from my late aunt and now let out...that part of Ilford is world's away from Ilford lane although not as smart as used to be...It is now very Asian...lots of Gujerati Kenyan and Ugandan asians have moved into our road....tbh, they over extend the houses, concrete over everything....since all the elderly jewish neighbours left, it has changed a lot...most of the asians are all very nice but what they do to the houses is awful....but agree about south ilford.....lots of hmo's and rubbish...and gangs of gypsy beggars who are quite nasty if you dont give cash...but council seem to be tackling this now...at last....
Vintagevixen · 06/09/2021 20:33

My DD went to primary school in Wanstead and year 7 in Wanstead High until we sadly had to move on out of London post divorce.

Re. primaries - lots of good ones and they aren't all church ones - DD went to Nightingale and that was great, but she had friends that went to several of the others - Oakdale, Aldersbrook and Snaresbrook and they were all good.

I loved Wanstead High - she loved it there too, we were devastated to have to leave. The head there seemed quite dynamic. We are still in touch with people who go there and they have no complaints.

Wanstead itself is lovely - VERY middle class as is South Woodford, both with great local high streets. A standard three bed terrace in Wanstead will cost between 800 - 900,000 ( I know as ex bought there) but South Wooodford is a touch cheaper I think. Not much on the market at present though - I keep an eye on it on right move out of curiosity and can see that not much is coming on the market at the mo.

Great transport links - 30 minutes to Oxford Circus on the central line, easy drive outwards to the M11 etc. Near Stratford too for Westfield shopping/cinemas/restaurants and olympic park plus the Jubilee Line.

I loved living there - would go back in a heartbeat if I could afford it (that's another rather sad thread!!)

beguilingeyes · 07/10/2021 13:11

@FiddleFigs

Have you looked at the bit of Walthamstow that’s between Wood Street and Highams Park? It’s not at all hipstery, just lovely neighbourhoods, with strong community vibes and good primary schools. Transport wise, both Wood St and Highams Park are on the Liverpool St line, and the Central line is within striking distance (South Woodford). Wood St has loads of new cafes, bakeries, delis etc. It’s an often overlooked area.
Very much this. Wood Street has come on in leaps and bounds. Lots of independent shops and food places... a fantastic new bakery and even a deli. Avery different atmosphere to the area around Walthamstow Central. Wood Street station is 20 minutes into Liverpool Street or one stop to Walthamstow Central for the tube...plus Epping Forest is right there. We live there now and were looking to move to Highams Park on the grounds that you generally get more for your money, but we've found a house nearby.
Yazoop · 07/10/2021 22:51

Check out North Chingford (the area around Chingford Station), as seems to fit your description pretty much exactly!

beguilingeyes · 08/10/2021 04:14

@lovecat I do Parkrun in Valentine's Park (Walthamstow Parkrun is dull) and it's gorgeous. Some of those houses around the outside...sigh...

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