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Sellers are lying to us constantly - is there comeback if they do this?

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StrongArm · 28/06/2021 10:54

we are trying to buy a property that we know needs a lot of work. It's being sold by the 3 kids (in their 50s/60s) of a woman who passed away a few years ago. We met them at one of the viewings.

it is quite clear that they just want shot of it and to have their money but in the process of doing this, none of them appear to be taking the documentation side of it seriously at all. So far they have lied about the central heating, the electrics, they are insisting all of the extensions were done so long ago that building control wasn't involved yet we can see building control was involved at one stage (though can't see the details as we don't own the property and the council website doesn't allow you to see them).

one of the siblings lives opposite the property and is a workman himself and apparently did a lot of the work so must know the details - I can't decide if they are being deliberately deceitful or just can't be arsed. From the meeting with them, the impression I get is that they just can't be bothered and just want to take the money and run (they were all talking about what they were going to spend it on).

our solicitor has written to their side (a firm of conveyancers) to emphasise the importance of filling in the forms correctly and giving us the correct information. e.g. we disproved one of their statements about the heating with a picture we had taken. All we get back from their side is 'when are we going to exchange'.

if they have lied and made a representation about something that turns out to be false and costs us money, would we be able to sue them for it? we are getting to the point where we are going to have to make a decision about whether to exchange knowing they are likely leaving out information!

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Grimbelina · 28/06/2021 12:38

If they are only interested in the money, then you need to make it about the money. Without proper information, documentation, building regs etc. you could end with lots of costs that you haven't anticipated. So... I would work out your worst scenario (no building regs? planning permission? full re-wire? full re-plumb?) and then reduce your offer accordingly unless you get the correct information. This might be the only way they take seriously....

korawick12345 · 28/06/2021 13:47

Also what sort of lies are you talking about? Are they saying there is a boiler and CH when in fact there isn't or are they saying that they don't have paperwork that your think they should have?

StrongArm · 28/06/2021 17:55

They've lied about the dates of the works done (I think), put the wrong heating system on there (they have multiple boilers, they didn't state this), put the wrong buildings in the garden, put the wrong floor coverings in the rooms on the form etc etc

It's not me being picky - they are just basically not doing things properly

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Grimbelina · 28/06/2021 17:58

Multiple boilers is rather odd (unless perhaps it was separated into self-contained units). I would be prepared for all new CH...

Mayaspecialist · 28/06/2021 17:58

Are they lying or is it information they don't know and are taking a a guess at?

I know the yeat mum and dad extention was finished because it was ready for my 18th birthday. But if it hadn't have been used for a significant birthday of mine I wouldn't remember

I have no idea when they last had a boiler fitted

Livingintheclouds · 28/06/2021 18:02

Doesn't all planning and building regs come up on the search? Have you had a full structural survey? In the absence of documentation (and they could be telling the truth), get your surveyor to look at whatever concerns you and you can renegotiate on that, though the sellers may well say if it's an obvious fixer upper then it was priced as such.

korawick12345 · 28/06/2021 18:50

Sound more like they don’t know than are deliberately lying.

RustyBear · 28/06/2021 18:56

My dad was 102 when he died and his record keeping hadn't been too good the last few years. When we sold his bungalow, I had to work out the dates of stuff from whatever documents I could find, mostly from 250 miles away - letters on his computer to suppliers, workmen, even to family, and it wasn't always clear what a document related to. I never did find the date the boiler was installed, and there certainly weren't any electrical certificates, probably because my dad had done the work himself. We paid for indemnity insurance on a couple of things, which wasn't terribly expensive, and the person who bought it immediately replaced the boiler (and pretty much everything else) anyway

StrongArm · 28/06/2021 20:05

Yes just got the survey back today

Son who lives opposite did all the work so I find it odd that they are getting it wrong when he's right there and has been in the house when we looked round (and when the survey was done). There's just something odd about it.

Thanks for the advice. Surveyor has recommended we get independent experts to go in as he also thinks the reports we've had now are not quite right. So we will speak to them and do this!

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Chumleymouse · 28/06/2021 20:16

I just put unknown on all the forms when I sell a house. Job done

IAmAWomanNotACis · 28/06/2021 20:23

It sounds as if this house is going to cost you more than it's worth. DO tread carefully if you decide to proceed.

readytosell · 28/06/2021 20:27

Oh gosh they sound like my aunt when she was selling her mum's house. She just thought it was like buying something on amazon! But it does sound like they just don't know and don't care as opposed to it being deliberate. They just see the pound signs like my aunt did.

This is where a good solicitor comes into their own!

PegasusReturns · 28/06/2021 20:30

Aside from the issues with incomplete paperwork I would think twice about buying a house with potentially dodgy building work when the man who did that work is going to be your neighbour.

Has disaster written all over it.

Ostara212 · 28/06/2021 20:34

@StrongArm

They've lied about the dates of the works done (I think), put the wrong heating system on there (they have multiple boilers, they didn't state this), put the wrong buildings in the garden, put the wrong floor coverings in the rooms on the form etc etc

It's not me being picky - they are just basically not doing things properly

I genuinely wouldn't know the answers

Are they making it up because they don't want to say "I don't know"?

Gazelda · 28/06/2021 20:38

@PegasusReturns

Aside from the issues with incomplete paperwork I would think twice about buying a house with potentially dodgy building work when the man who did that work is going to be your neighbour.

Has disaster written all over it.

This is a very good point.
MerryDecembermas · 28/06/2021 20:41

Walk away now - and if not, as pp says, put a financial value on the risk you're taking by proceeding with the purchase, and reduce your offer accordingly.

Otherwise accept this is it now and there will be little to no documentation

2bazookas · 28/06/2021 20:43

You might try an off the record phone conversation to your surveyor and ask him "What would you do? ". Then listen to the answer.

I've bought and sold a lot of properties and some of the very best advice ever, came from a couple of surveyors (One acting for me, one acting for a buyer) . None of it was what I wanted to hear but it was solid gold.

squiglet111 · 28/06/2021 20:54

I wouldn't be able give any details about the work that's gone on in my parents house. Not a clue what year their extensions etc done! Do you know all the details of the things that has been done to your parents house?

If they don't have the info could you get someone to go have a look at it that might be able to tell what the information is you require

Mayaspecialist · 28/06/2021 21:00

My dp was a labourer. I asked him if he could tell me dates of which house he worked on when.

Or give me the dates of when he rebuilt his nanas wall. And he couldn't. He could narrow it down to about a 3-5 year period.

I am not sure this house IS a good idea, but I am not sure they are lying. Just don't know.

cabbageking · 28/06/2021 21:18

You can sue them for false info if questions go via the solicitor.

If the building has gone via probate there may be info they do not have but they should indicate do not know rather than fabricating an answer.

Your solicitor should ask the seller for any planning, building regs, build over a sewer etc.

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