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What is wrong with buying an ex council house?

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icepackquestion · 20/06/2021 09:23

I am looking at houses to buy. When I have mentioned some to a few people they have asked if the are ex council. I don't know the answer so I just move on.

When I viewed a house yesterday the estate agent said "this is ex council but it's one of the few I would happily live in myself"

What is wrong with ex council houses? I literally have no idea, and couldn't tell the difference between them and others.

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mogtheexcellent · 21/06/2021 11:05

1950's Ex- council house owner here. Garden is huge, 'box' room can fit a double bed, desk and wardrobe in and we have a large utility room. Local new builds are £200k more and rooms/gardens are much smaller.

The only thing we lack is a downstairs toilet and an ensuite (which we hate anyhow).

We have council owned houses on the large cul de sac but its 75% privately owned now. Plus the council still mow the grass on the verges and the small grassed areas we have dotted around.

Lack of parking was a problem so most private houses have driveways now, ours can fit 3 cars on and still we still have two large flower beds and a tree.

I'd rather buy ex-council than new build.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 21/06/2021 16:57

I hate to say it, but it will depend so much on the area - and the neighbours.

Dd1’s first house was an ex council - the road was generally nice but unfortunately neighbours on one side were not. A lot of noisy shouting and swearing, very loud music, rubbish dumped in the front garden, etc.

OTOH Dd2 bought an ex council in a road where virtually all are now privately owned. Nice quiet road, no disruptive or messy neighbours, and the house itself is a lot more spacious than a non-council new build which would have cost a lot more.

Incidentally, as dh found out from a good old nose on the Land Reg, the former owners had bought it from the council in 1971 - well before Thatcher and right to buy. And they’d paid almost exactly one percent of what dd paid a few years ago.

However I’d been with her to look at others, in a different area, which were discounted almost at once because of immediate evidence of anti social neighbours.

Sad to say, it only takes one or two to spoil the road for everybody else, including other council tenants, most of whom I know are perfectly pleasant neighbours.

WombatChocolate · 21/06/2021 18:57

Ex Council houses vary a lot. Some are part of massive estates and others from just a small cluster of 2 or 3.

When there are larger numbers of houses and when many are still owned by a housing association or are owned by those who bough under ‘right to buy’ then the social demographic is that of social housing. So unless you’re looking at a very expensive area which has been gentrified, the demographic is less likely to be professionals and more likely to be blue collar workers, or those less well paid or perhaps those on benefits.

There is nothing wrong with any of these things or people. And some of the houses might well be occupied by quite different people too, but the fact remains that in larger areas if ex council houses, there is probably a lesser concentration of middle class or professional people.

In the past, the working class was a bigger group and many people doing working class jobs had social housing. They had decent, solid jobs which perhaps didn’t pay all that well and were decent, upstanding members of the community. Many went onto save enough to buy their houses under the right to buy. They were the same blue collar workers they had been once they were owner occupiers than they had been before.

Today, many ex council houses are privately owned. They are often the cheaper houses in an area and so in many areas, the less affluent buy them, unless you’re looking at an area where only the highly paid can afford to buy anything. The houses that are still rented by a housing association are often rented to those on benefits today as it is harder to qualify for social housing if working and having a wage. Some social housing is rented by workers, but increasingly, it is people on benefits. Lots of these people will be just like any other neighbours, but there will be a proportion of people with difficulties which could make them more tricky neighbours. Some might be anti-social.

So, without making judgements about people...quite simply the feel of an area can be different in those with large proportions of social housing. Stereo types are just that, but often grounded in a level of reality. None of these things apply to everyone or even most who live in social housing or ex social housing, but there will often be enough to make the feel of an area different to that of one which is totally privately owned. It could include less attention to keeping garden is good order, it could include having old cars or vehicles in a state of disrepair, could include being more noisy, could involve conspicuous large gatherings of people, could involve neighbours arguing and conflict or domestic conflict. Note I’m not saying all people will be doing these things or that there is anything wrong with most of these behaviours, but they are more noticeable in some ex council areas. And they are behaviours that many people are often not that keen on and therefore avoid the areas where there is more chance of them.

All of the behaviours I mention can equally happen in private rented accommodation or in privately owned accommodation too. However, people displaying such behaviours are more likely to more spread out and less concentrated in smaller areas, so the whole area isn’t impacted in the same way and a whole neighbourhood doesn’t take on a particular feel.

There often is something snobby about attitudes to ex council areas. However, lots of people buy in them and love living in them....for the generous room sizes, to green spaces, to location to neighbours for many. Others love the houses but find a proportion of the people difficult and there is no avoiding the fact that there are people who are difficult to have as neighbours because of their behaviour, and some of them are housed by the council and they can be concentrated in some areas and change the feel of an area.

I had an ex council flat. It was great for several years. Big rooms, great location and most people were great. When it came time to move though, I was pleased to move into a private area. There had been a minority of people in my local authority area who had been troublesome and annoying. The Polcie had to come and sort out domestic incidents. One or two played loud music which blared out in the summer. A couple let their kids run wild and annoy others. It was a small number but they made it a less nice place to live. None of it was terrible or awful and of course everyone has to live somewhere, but if I could avoid it, I would choose to. You could get similar neighbours anywhere, but less likely to have so many in privately owned areas.

Wallpapering · 21/06/2021 23:26

If it was ex council house on estate in west London relative lived I say everything is wrong about buying it.

Very rare to find old ex council house come up for sale and still surrounded by feral council tenants as most houses long been bought.

Old ex council houses are sound proof not like houses today where can hear neighbours fart! The big usually large garden so possible extension.

Even these big private estates you will find some plots allocated to social housing, it part of condition.

Always worth taking drive round where house is at night esp weekend.

Anordinarymum · 22/06/2021 00:06

If I could have lifted my ex council house and put it where I live now I wouldn't have bought this one.

I never thought I would move but when my marriage ended and I met someone else we bought a different house together to make new memories.
My old house was solidly built and roomy inside and in far better condition than the expensive one I live in now.

Go for it but.... check out the neighbours and check out the parking. Council houses were not intended for people with cars, there was always a problem with on street parking and most people who bought had driveways put in their front gardens .

The people who still rented parked on the street and sometimes blocked cars in. Just a thought.

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 22/06/2021 09:13

@Wallpapering

If it was ex council house on estate in west London relative lived I say everything is wrong about buying it.

Very rare to find old ex council house come up for sale and still surrounded by feral council tenants as most houses long been bought.

Old ex council houses are sound proof not like houses today where can hear neighbours fart! The big usually large garden so possible extension.

Even these big private estates you will find some plots allocated to social housing, it part of condition.

Always worth taking drive round where house is at night esp weekend.

My mate had a 1920’s ex council semi and the soundproofing was shiteSad. Excellent garden though.

You also have to be careful of things like non-standard construction. That is often why ceiling prices are low, you can’t get a traditional mortgage on them.

Rosieandjim04 · 22/06/2021 09:48

I bought one solid for the price big rooms gains are shit though we bought for 134k in 2016 estimate now 165k we are now chasing the property market to upsize looking at spending 450k if we had spend 220 k on a new build detached they now go for 300k !if you ever want to upsize and move on don't buy an ex council house buy at the near top of what you can afford.

Wallpapering · 22/06/2021 19:34

That’s interesting to know Ballard as still have hope one day be in position to buy my council house, dream of gutting it as layout is just random and all wrong.

Mine built in 70’s - still has same bathroom & kitchen from that era. Most brought there’s in 90’s for 34k, only 3 the Council own now majority sold them on in 2000 and owners rent them out. In 10yrs been here rent gone from £400 to £750 for 3bed. Had more shit neighbours than good on one side & no amount of soundproofing is enough.

bellamountain · 27/08/2021 22:24

Resurrecting this thread just because I am utterly baffled at why some people would turn down an ex council house to live in a much smaller new build with no garden or space to speak off? Many of my friends choose to live in awful shoebox new builds and I don't get it?? I live in an ex council property. We have a driveway for 4 cars, a big garden, a double story extension and open plan living at the back with bifolds. My parents have done similar to their ex council property too. We love our house.

Not all these houses are on estates, many are non estate. Any properties that are still council tend to be owned by hard working older generation who keep their houses pristine, sweeping up outside every night and are the type of good egg neighbours you want. In turn, it's the new build shoe boxes where it can be a slippery slope with dodgy neighbours and parking problems.

I go back to some other posters who say it's not the neighbours because most are indeed privately owned now, it's the aesthetics and lack of kerb appeal. Ok I get that.... BUT it's an easy fix. New windows, doors, rendering, porches etc and you can have a very attractive looking house.

I think with the housing crisis, people will have no choice but to eat their snobbery in any event.....

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