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WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead · 12/06/2021 11:37

Okay, so this may be more like idle daydreaming rather than an actual plan, but I'm feeling fed up with fruitless property searching in my city (in Scotland), and thinking about where else I might live. The criteria are

  1. Must be near hills/mountains (preferably cycling distance, but
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Whoateallthechocolate · 13/06/2021 08:34

You've got a 16yo, 14yo & 11yo.
What stage are they at in the English education system? The English and Scottish systems are very different, both in terms of when they sit exams and how school allocation works. I think the cut off (31st Aug) for school years is also different.
Would your 16yo be going into the Sixth Form in September? I'm not quite sure how admissions work for that as my children are younger but if it is similar to the rest of the admissions process in England, you are likely to have missed the various key registration dates meaning that you will be given a place where one is available rather than applying in the usual way. If your child actually turns 17 before 31st Aug, then they would be looking to go into the Upper Sixth which is a non-starter as all sixth form courses are two years as far as I'm aware. There are facilities for those who need to do re-sits or return to education etc but you will need to do your research.
Would your 11yo be starting secondary school in September? Again, you have missed the key dates so it will be a question of being allocated a school in the county where there is space. There will still be some movement on wait lists and will be until mid-Sept and you may get lucky and live so close to the school that you are top of the waitlist... but you may not! If your child would be going into Yr8 (ie turns 12 before 31st Aug), then it would be an in year admission and so a question of going to whichever school has space.
Would your 14yo be going into Yr 10 in September? In England, the GCSE course is supposed to be a 2yr course over Yrs 10 & 11 but a lot of schools actually start in Yr9 so it might be a struggle to slot into a course that has started. Even if the course hasn't started, your child will be going straight into an exam course whilst settling in - and not just schools but areas too. Yes, your eldest will be doing the same but there is more movement into the sixth form. If your child turns 15 before 31st Aug, then it's a non-starter as they would be going into Yr11 which is mid-way through the GCSE course.
You might want to wait two years and get ready to move as your middle child goes into the sixth form (having applied during the usual admissions process provided you can give evidence of address in the area etc) and your youngest goes into Yr9.
As a PP has pointed out, if they're planning on going to Uni, be aware of the impact this will have on their funding.

WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead · 13/06/2021 12:57

Really appreciate all this info about the English system. It looks like it might be more problematic than I anticipated. I'm actually usually very cautious, but managed to persuade myself yesterday that people move around all the time and that I shouldn't be so staid! Eldest kid has had some mental health issues this year, and it might well be too reckless to move her away from her friends. :-(

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gettingolderbutcooler · 19/06/2021 16:06

Reigate.

CatAndHisKit · 20/06/2021 02:22

I'd phone these schools, OP, to check re catchment and you might be reassured.
Sheffield is friendly and quite chill (no mad competitiveness or snobbery of the SE, for example - or parts of Cheshire) with a good mix of pupils at school from various parts of the UK originally, so should be easier than many other places for kids to adjust.
Crookes has real charm to the area, students help in terns of presence of good indie cafes etc - and those views!

33feethighandrising · 20/06/2021 02:54

The English & Welsh admission system for schools is very different to Scotland's.

There are loads of idiosyncrasies and, as said above, you'd need to check with the local council, but basically, how it works for most secondaries is that you apply when the kids are in year 6, (like p5 I think? When they're 10/11, anyway), and you put down your top choices in order of preference. (Typically you get 3 choices, but I believe in London it used to be up to 6).

The school has a set number of spaces are they are allocated to children with priority given to DC in care, siblings of DC already at the school, then to children by distance (within catchment) and then if there are spaces left, again by distance (outside of catchment).

There is no attempt to cater for all the DC in catchment - once the school is full, it's full. Those who didn't get in will be out on the list for their 2nd choice, and 3rd if they don't get into their 2nd, etc.

If they don't get any of their choices the local authority will offer them a space somewhere but it could be quite far away if there is a lot of pressure on places.

That's if you're moving schools at the standard time.

Outside of the standard times, you will be offered a space if there is one.

If the school is full, then the school runs a waiting list, not by the time on the waiting list, but using the criteria above. So, if a space comes up, they'll look at the DC on the list, see if any have priority (because in care or have siblings there or whatever) and if not then it's strictly by distance. So, if you move to on the doorstep of the school, you'll be bumped up the waiting list, even if someone has been waiting ages but lives further away.

If there is no space at your nearby school, the local authority will allocate you a space wherever there is one, which may be some distance away.

This system is further complicated by certain schools having slightly (or very) different admissions procedure because of being a grammar school or a free school, or religious or selective, or specialising (eg in the arts).

Why is this system so complicated? It's a hangover from Thatcher, who pushed the idea of "choice" on the school system.

The other thing that's worth knowing about English & Welsh schools is that the year a child is in, depends on where a child's birthday is in the school year (September to August) not a calendar year like in Scotland. So the oldest in the year are the September born. This might mean your DC being in a higher or lower year than you expect at first glance.

YellowFish12 · 20/06/2021 09:07

Be aware that tapton is only a ‘good school’ because it has a fantastic catchment area, not through any good work the school actually does. It’s easy to get good results with mediocre teaching and pastoral care when you have an extremely affluent and involved catchment.

33feethighandrising · 20/06/2021 10:14

Not everywhere has oversubscribed schools! But where there is choice, you do tend to get a school that everyone wants to send their DC to and so it ends up oversubscribed.

VLAL · 20/06/2021 17:20

Sheffield-er here (although I don't live there any more)! I went to King Edwards, and when I went there it was a good school. The building the upper school and sixth form are in is beautiful. And if it's relevant at all, the school doesn't have a uniform in any year.

Most of my friends lived in Crookes and it was so handy to get around. The bus is super frequent and cheap.

Chewbecca · 20/06/2021 18:19

Agree with a PP, if your DC are going to Uni, I would stay put in Scotland until those costs are over.

MissLemon18 · 04/07/2021 23:11

Look at Staffordshire Moorlands and Buxton area.

Leek is a market town in Staff. Moorlands and borders Peak District and Cheshire. So many beautiful hills with walking and cycling routes aplenty.

Ramshaw Rocks, The Roaches, Rudyard Lake, St Luds, Hen Cloud all close by. Lovely indie shops, artisan market and arty vibes.

Good schools, can give more details if needed.

We moved to Leek last year from Manchester area and absolutely love it, no regrets. Bought a 4 bed period house that would have been waaaaay out of our budget in original search area.

Ariela · 04/07/2021 23:53

I'd stay in Scotland till after Uni if they ae likely to go

SeeSection · 05/07/2021 00:54

Liverpool? Oswestry?

Northernlass4 · 06/10/2021 14:19

Hi
Looking for some advice/concerns about King Edwards school Sheffield. Experienced within the last 2 years of lower school and upper school much appreciated.

I currently have a very stressed Y11 at tapton....... I don't like there quote read from another post 'exam machine' attitude. So considering King Edwards for my youngest. Heard loads of positive things so far but does anyone have any concerns about there child's experience of King Edwards.

Thanks in advance. Need to make a choice by 15th October so short on time.

GoWalkabout · 06/10/2021 14:23

I should start a new post in secondary education OP as your query might get lost on this zombie thread.

myhairygoat · 06/10/2021 14:25

Just adding my enthusiasm for Sheffield. It is indeed fabulous

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