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How does anyone ever find a builder?

21 replies

Shedbuilder · 09/04/2021 11:33

Disclosure: I'm an older woman who works in the construction sector, though the kind of work we do is specialist and my work normally comes via architects and developers. I always answer enquiries and respond to clients, even if it's clear that we can't help them. I try to communicate and treat all clients as I'd expect to be treated, as you'd expect of any professional.

Nearly a year ago one of my friends bought a house in need of serious renovation a ten-minute walk from where I live. She started trying to find a general builder to do the whole thing — minor structural work, small extension, plastering, electrics, new bathroom and cloakroom, replumb, roof — the lot. She had a realistic budget and wasn't looking to do it on the cheap. She had professional plans, she was flexible and polite. A good client. For months she endured builders failing to respond to calls or emails, refusing to give even a rough estimate for the work, people making arrangements to come and look at the place and not turning up, or turning up and seeming keen and then ghosting her. She asked small local builders and some of the bigger ones. One of the bigger local companies sent a surveyor and a couple of tradespeople round and it all felt professional and positive. She made it clear that she could wait six months for them to start. They said they'd draw up a detailed estimate and a contract. The following week they emailed to say the job was too bitty for them and they couldn't help. Then the surveyor called her and said he had a good roofer who'd do the roof for her for more than twice the price her own architect and surveyor had told he she could expect to pay! She had a joiner who had agreed a start date to build in some cupboards and wardrobes and who pulled out the day before he was due. At least he let her know, I suppose. I assumed she was handling them badly or had magically selected all the dodgy/ unreliable tradespeople in the area.

At the end of last year her mother became seriously ill and she has had to move in with her mum to look after her during Covid. So I said I'd see if I could find a builder for her, or at least get things started. I thought I'd start with the roof — and hell, just getting a roofer, any roofer, let alone one with insurance and satisfied clients, to even come out to price up has been a nightmare. I've had the same treatment she has: stood up, ghosted, ignored. Even my electrician, who I use regularly in my own projects, failed to turn up as arranged.

My friend was worried that because she doesn't know about the more technical side of the work involved builders were nervous of working for her. Or that maybe they worried that she wouldn't pay or would get difficult about things she didn't understand. So she started offering to pay upfront — and still they were 'Meh'. I do understand much of what's involved in the various jobs and I'm now wondering whether the fact that I ask informed questions is frightening them off.

What's the secret? How do you find decent builders/ tradespeople? How do you handle them?

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muckypaws · 09/04/2021 11:38

Following as I need to know this as well!

MrsTophamHat · 09/04/2021 11:44

I've also had this experience trying to get someone to do my bathroom.

Posted on My Builder and only got one response for a £5k job.

He came round, had a long chat about it, sounded fully on board and then just never sent a quote. Chased it several times, and he always said it would be with me in a couple of days. Never came.

Second one was a recommendation from a friend. Actually got a quote off this one and pencilled in for the new year. Contacted him
to firm up dates to find that he had deleted his Facebook page.

I'm dreading going through it all again to be honest.

mothergooseinnorthwest · 09/04/2021 12:31

It will be a long process! We started looking for a general builder last March and found one in August.

Ignore the rules of getting three quotes. We contacted over 21 builders and got one quote that is detailed and broken down! There are so many time wasters and jokers, people who can’t see doors in detailed plans, people who never quoted, people who never returned emails and calls.

In our experience, The builders who are most responsive are those from the local Facebook age, even with the better ones, it took them 2 weeks to 1 month to give a quote.

I think this year even more people are doing building work too so, it will be even harder.

So my top tip is, contact loads at the same time and don’t wait for one to fall through to get another to quote. Once you decided on one, tell the others who quoted you found someone, which is a courtesy some builders won’t bother.

ThatsShitTryHarder · 09/04/2021 12:45

This has been my experience trying to renovate a house I’ve bought 200 miles away.

We accepted an estimate for new boiler and central heating in the middle of October last year. The last radiator went in two weeks ago. We couldn’t go up and stay to do any work ourselves as we had no heating and it was winter. We also had no kitchen and no bathroom.

Six months in we have heating, a kitchen, a full rewire, two walls knocked through, and by the end of next week we will have a bathroom.

Two weeks ago we received a letter from the council telling us that as our house had been empty for a total of two years (though we’d only owned it for six months), our council tax would be going up to 200% until it was furnished and occupied. Such a kick in the teeth after how much we’ve managed to do in the face of so many hurdles.

But in answer to your question, OP, we started with one recommendation from a friend (builder) and from him we got a roofer, plasterer and window fitter. We got the plumber through the kitchen fitter, whose name we got from Howdens. So word of mouth has been what worked for us.

FizzyPink · 09/04/2021 12:51

Word of mouth in my experience. We were recommended some guys who did a whole garden overhaul for us and did a fabulous job.

When they were finished I asked if I could write them a review somewhere but they said they were so booked up through people recommending them to their friends that they didn’t have any need to be on the “find a builder” type sites.

I found our plumber and electrician through recommendations on NextDoor but a lot of the time people just seem to recommend their family which is irritating

Skyla2005 · 09/04/2021 13:33

You need to be recommended by someone you know who has had work done by them a a can vouch for them ask around family and friends or work colleagues

Notsoaccidentproneanymore · 09/04/2021 13:49

Think the problem is too few builders.

When a car went into our garden wall I literally rang every builder and building company within a 10 mile radius.

Most weren’t interested in doing a small job for only a week, or had a minimum of 6 months to wait. Or quoted twice as much as the others then rang me every day!

It was an insurance job, and took about 2 months just to get the 3 quotes.

I tried Trusted Traders, etc...

I found my builder eventually through the FMB website.

Fortunately I have now managed to find a builder, electrician and gas engineer/plumber.

If I ever need anything other than that I’d be stuck.

I’ve even walked past work being done on houses and stopped and asked them if they’d be interested in quoting for work. At least you can then see them working.

MaryIsA · 09/04/2021 13:59

Our architechtural technician has worked with most builders in our area. He recommended a few, asked friends, went out to tender and 4 out of 5 submitted.

They were all super busy though and couldn't start straight away.

It's a £100K project though so worth their time.

The roofer, for a house I rent out, I basically stalked him. He lives round the corner, I didn't let him go to the CooP without shouting 'oi, Dave, where's the scaffolding?!'

for the same house when it had an emergency - I rang a builder friend who said he couldn't do it for months - and I cried - so he turned up. Did a blinding job - expensive though.

Shedbuilder · 09/04/2021 14:00

Yes, I did an emergency stop the other day while driving around locally and collared a roofer working on a very nice-looking house (the sort of house where people seem to take maintenance seriously and do their homework!) Unfortunately he didn't speak English. I've got very good at photographing the tailgates of any construction vehicles I see, capturing company names and numbers.

I think there's a good market out there for any woman prepared to run a general building company. And if it wasn't too late in the day, I'd be retraining to be an electrician.

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DK123 · 09/04/2021 14:10

I've had exactly the same! So many people don't reply to enquiries or seem interested and then cancel or go quiet on you. Some of the prices I've had have been insane.

The other thing to watch is people who try to turn up and do the work without giving a price first. I had this with mounting a big tv on a wall. I kept asking for a price (never got one) and a few times the guy called saying he was in the area and could come and do it right now. I told him I wasn't in.

One example is a cupboard with shelves - normal shape, rectangular, freestanding, nothing too special. I got quotes of 5 to 18 grand!! Not from smallbone, but from normal independent tradesmen!

Other than plumbing and electrical issues (I use Pimlico plumbers - expensive but get the job done and don't need to come back several times) I don't know who I'd ask!

oldwhyno · 09/04/2021 14:11

Engaging an architect to manage the project would probably help.

Sauvignonblanket · 09/04/2021 14:16

We have a really good local area closed facebook group where people are always asking for and getting recommendations - this is how I always start sourcing people now and it's working so far - touch wood. The idea about an artchitect to manage the project also sounds good.

cockneygirl · 09/04/2021 14:19

I agree with Notsoaccidentproneanymore. Too much work and not enough builders. And the good ones can pick and choose.

I have the local builder working on our house now. 2 bathrooms and a new patio/garden landscaping. He is absolutely brilliant but I have been waiting for 3 years. He has a 2 year waiting list of jobs in the neighbourhood and can afford to pick and choose. He got a complete house renovation and estimated the job at £1 million and turned it down because in his own words “it’s too much hassle” He cant work outside as people stop and ask him when he can do their job. It has got so bad that one neighbour ( the same builder did a total renovation on his house) has had scaffolding installed and doing the outside paintwork masonry and windows himself. He is a professional with his own company so he is definitely the most expensive painter and decorator in the street!

Tbh I think our builder took our house on as we have known him for almost 10 years. We never chase him or hassle him - he called me before Christmas with an end jan start date and I told him it was the best present ever. Pay him on time and he can do one job in one room and then move onto something else within the same house. And have, usually, all the components he needs waiting for him to be installed. He is burnt-out and so our house bizarrely is a bit of a respite. He just finished a whole house refurb on a tight deadline and he was really fed-up.

I am now resigned to doing all the repainting internally myself. The front of the house, new front steps and kitchen will have to wait until we have more money or our master builder is cloned.

It doesn’t help you op and sorry for the long post. I sympathise with what you and your friend is going through.

Summerhillsquare · 09/04/2021 14:27

Contacts. My builder is top notch, and can pick and choose jobs, I happened to be mates with his daughter. When you get a good 'un, ask them to bring others on board. Lastly, build relationships and be a good client, then they come back for more.

The poster who said there is a market for a woman to set up a building company - I agree, and have often thought about it. My renovations have got gradually more ambitious, so perhaps one day I will know enough!

Shedbuilder · 09/04/2021 14:45

It's incredibly reassuring to know that it's nothing personal and that a lot of builders are like this.

I know how difficult it can be working with clients. I know all the trials and tribulations of working with penny-pinchers and perfectionists and clients whose default state is that they're being ripped off. But you don't need to know everything about the trade to run a company. You do have to be organised and thorough and a good communicator and you have to employ tradespeople who know what they're doing and are happy for you to take the hassle of organising and client-handling and paperwork off their shoulders.

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muckypaws · 09/04/2021 17:08

Has anyone found Facebook recommendations to be any good? Or do people just recommend their relatives, good or bad? In a small village so I don't want to offend anyone by asking for recommendations then not using them!

sallydontlivehere · 09/04/2021 18:00

It's such a shame Brexit happened - so many great builders and plumbers etc have left and any decent ones are fully booked for the year.
I'm questioning if it's worth trying to build my kitchen extension this year or better to wait for next year when maybe demand has dropped?

Changingwiththetimes · 09/04/2021 18:45

Word of mouth. I have never used a builder that has any online presence- they never need to advertise! And once you nab one trade, you get others through them. Plumbers are the ones I have most problems with- must have gone through six or seven now.
I am still waiting for a coffee table to be made - coming up to eight years! After three I asked him if I should just get someone else to do it and he insisted he would get round to it.

Logmein · 09/04/2021 20:01

DH never advertises he doesn't need to. It's all word and mouth, recommendation.
I think what may be the problem is if it's 'bitty' then the profit vz the work could be an issue.
The same with bigger jobs 100k plus may look lucrative but many times smaller jobs have more profit.
Because of Covid most builders I know are booked up for the next year or so, DH is booked for the next 2, which would be great but we moved into a house that needs renovating and now I'm having to wait!

Janu19 · 24/09/2023 10:15

Hi Fizzypink, Could you please be able to share the gardeners details who did for you 2 years back?
Thank you

maisouimaisoui1 · 24/09/2023 14:27

I can't get my builder to finish my house and I have two sodding children with him😂

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