Help with kitchen extension layout!

[WeeLamb]

Can anyone help?! I'm about to start a rear kitchen extension on a 1930s semi with garage on the side but want something different from the usual big open plan space. Ideally I would like to knock through from the front reception room to a back reception room with glass doors then also have big glass doors dividing this 'middle room' from a big light airy kitchen at the back with two big sets of french windows onto the garden. The garage would stay with a new utility area (and loo) behind. I don't think this would work as I've created an internal room /corridor with the middle room but would love love love to see any examples of where this or something similar has worked. Or even just a broken plan layout that would give a similar effect, ideally being able to close doors between the spaces. Any ideas? Floor plans? I've attached a picture of my idea in green pen on a similar extension floor plan. TIA

I don't like the idea of walking from a lounge into the loo. Can you put a wall in the utility to section off the loo so you go through a door into utility which has another door to the loo.
There doesn't seem enough work surface in the kitchen. It would be better having it all kitchen and table in the middle room.

What would be the dimensions of the utility room?

I know a house where the family did this. their 'middle room' has a big TV & sofa where the kids do gaming - that is the real social space. then the living room at the front is more formal & tidy with ornaments etc.

it all works out fine.

How wide is the house? You’re showing that you’d go out 4m (which suggests that you’re possibly trying to do it under permitted development) but 4m isn’t massive

I think this would work well, but if you are planning on using the middle space as a separate room rather than an open plan space to the kitchen, I'd be tempted to extend the corridor so the kitchen has its own entrance. If not, then just do away with the double doors between the middle room and the kitchen and have a big open plan living/dining area.

If you want the rooms that can be opened into one and shut away. The doors will replace the walls. Essentially I think you are will lose a lot of usable space. 1) walls to put furniture and radiators against. 2) bifolds eats into space when open too.

The kitchen extension is four metres out and probably over 8 metres wide. 32m2 is big enough for a kitchen dinner or kitchen and sitting area or even all three.

Your middle room can be second sitting plus I don’t know what can use the corner and bit between utility and kitchen for. That’s what you can see as soon as you walk through the front door though.

I would shut the front room off. The rest is really big enough for open/broken plan already.

I agree that walking through the "middle" room from the hall to get to the kitchen, and then going from the kitchen through the middle room to get to the loo / utility will be a pain in the neck.

I also think you'll regret having a kitchen as you've suggested. It looks like 4m, but external walls are 30cm thick so you'll end up with internal width of 3.4m/3.7m depending on the build. If you're going round a corner (L shaped units as you've drawn) that's really not a lot of cabinets / worktop space.

Thanks all, good points /suggestions. House is 9m wide, so kitchen would be 9 x 4m (has planning permission so not PD) and utility around 4 x 3m I think. The reason I'd like to separate out the spaces is to sometimes close doors on noise and mess (kids) and so we can have tv in one space and music etc in another and quiet in another! There are probably other solutions to this but have yet to find anything other than open/broken plan.

I would be tempted to have the front room as a self contained living room without doors. It's nice to have some separate rooms and having it open is going to really limit furnishing options of that space.

That middle space, Id be tempted to put the kitchen and have a living dining space at the back looking out over the garden.

If you have your living spaces at the front and the middle, there is a danger both become spaces which people pass through the on the way to the kitchen - corridors with sofas in them. Uncozy.

I think you need better drawings with internal measurements. Even if you do end up with 4m internally, think where you'll fit hob, oven/s, sink, fridge freezer in that kitchen run you've drawn.

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I would be tempted to have the front room as a self contained living room without doors. It's nice to have some separate rooms and having it open is going to really limit furnishing options of that space.

That middle space, Id be tempted to put the kitchen and have a living dining space at the back looking out over the garden.

If you have your living spaces at the front and the middle, there is a danger both become spaces which people pass through the on the way to the kitchen - corridors with sofas in them. Uncozy.

This is exactly what I was going to suggest!

I'd be tempted to make the front room separate, reinstate the wall from where the stairs are to the start of the kitchen and add a door to kitchen. And then maybe create some kind of study/music room from utility area as that's quite big?

Also, is that a table or an island? If a table, I don't think you have many units so would ditch one set of doors.

Something like this

With bifold doors so that the full back of the extension opens up and the living space can be extended onto decking/patio outside

In my old house I had living room with doors to middle room (though hall was separate) and middle room through to large kitchen diner with utility and loo tucked behind garage.

The living room was a pain to furnish due to one wall with a bay window, one wall had a chimney breast, one wall had the double doors and the fourth wall had a door from the hall. Very hard to place furniture. So, I would have the front room completely closed off.

I would try to have line of sight from your front door, down your hall, through to the garden/outdoor space. At the moment your layout doesn’t give you that.

Something like this? Yellow bit utility and toilet and blue bit a study? And add more units in kitchen if not enough? I don't think closing off the middle room would work. I'm sitting in a "middle room" now and would be really impractical.

Yes as pp has referred to if the external measurement is 4m the internal measurement is going to be about 3.6m. Likewise 9m will give an internal measurement of about 8.2/8.3m. It isn’t small but it isn’t massive so having it closed off from the middle section might not be the best plan.

Great suggestions - thank you!