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Is it better to buy ASAP or save for longer?

43 replies

SecondhandTable · 18/03/2021 17:40

We will be FTBs and we have just realised we actually have enough in savings to put down a 10 per cent deposit on some of the standard 3 bed terraces in our area. Originally we had hoped to save for another 3 years or so, doubling our available cash and allowing us to either buy a larger house or a similar house but with a smaller mortgage. However house prices in our area seem to be rising at a gobsmacking rate since 2017/18 and it's getting worse not better. We want to stay in this small radius for school/childcare reasons, it's one of the most desirable areas in the city.

Are we better off buying ASAP with the smaller deposit or continuing saving and then either buying bigger ('forever home')/buy smaller home but with much less mortgage? How do we know what is the best thing to do?

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CeeceeBloomingdale · 18/03/2021 17:42

I would and it’s what most people do. Property rarely decreases in value so it’s normally making you money while you aim for the next step of the ladder.

CeibaTree · 18/03/2021 17:44

In your position I would get on the property ladder ASAP before you are priced out - if prices are going up then if you wait a bit longer you may only be able to get one of the terraces even if your deposit is larger.

DragonMamma · 18/03/2021 17:51

Unless you can save at a faster rate than the rise in house prices, you’re unlikely to be in a better position for waiting.

We did what you’re suggesting and we scraped together a deposit for a 3 bed semi, which we lived in for 3 years and that gave us enough equity to buy our current (forever home) which we’ve had for 3 years and already risen 20% in value so it was definitely the right decision for us.

ThatOtherPoster · 18/03/2021 17:59

Buy! Mortgages are usually a lot cheaper than renting, so as well as making money on your house you’ll be able to save more too.

Good luck xx

SecondhandTable · 18/03/2021 18:06

Rent isn't an issue atm, we are currently living rent-free, our mortgage will be a lot more than the rent we have been paying up until now as we were paying a lot less than market rates the last few years. So we definitely wouldn't be able to save much at all if we bought and had to pay a mortgage.

We would be able to double our savings in about 3 years and my salary would also be higher then to be able to borrow more. However concerned that house prices in the meantime will continue to skyrocket round here - as PP said, we are worried about being priced out. Especially with a suggestion of negative interest rates on the horizon which would obviously impact our savings.

Can see that virtually everyone is saying to get on the ladder ASAP though!

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burritofan · 18/03/2021 18:08

Buy now! Interest rates are next to nothing right now.

Tablegs · 18/03/2021 18:08

If house prices are rising at a faster rate than your savings (which it sounds like they might be, in your area), then I'd buy something right away, to be honest.

Myshinynewname · 18/03/2021 18:46

Definitely buy!

PigletJohn · 18/03/2021 19:00

Either way you are paying to have a home to live in.

every pound you pay in rent is money down the drain.

every pound you pay on a mortgage pays the interest or reduces the balance.

No-brainer.

If you want to gamble on house prices going down or up, gamble away.

changingnames786 · 18/03/2021 19:09

We chose to buy and were able to upsize to the "forever" home within 3 years despite not actually making a huge amount on the house, wage increases to expand mortgage was the main reason tbh. It was the right thing for us, although selling was stressful, I'd rather buy once, the market may well slow this year but it's a risk, if the govt keep propping up the market like they are that dip or even stagnation may never happen. Very are dependent of course.

changingnames786 · 18/03/2021 19:10

*area

vickyp0llard · 18/03/2021 19:39

We chose to save for a bit longer and buy a house rather than a flat. It's not whether prices go up faster than savings, if you've got a 10% deposit, are prices going up more than 10x faster than what you're saving? If you save 1k a month and prices go up >10k a month then you'll be priced out, but they're not.

Also, in the Home Counties where we live, rent is way cheaper than a mortgage. You can rent a property for £1200 a month which costs 450k to buy, so a mortgage of around £1800 on a 10% 25 year mortgage. Our rent is quite cheap and we didn't want the stress/hassle/cost of moving twice. Plus, we know several people who bought a flat as a starter property 3 years ago, now can't sell them at all.

GettingItOutThere · 18/03/2021 19:45

buy! property prices are flying up, i would advise everyone to get on the propertyl ladder asap

independence and space too if your living at home?

Loveacheekysausage · 19/03/2021 00:32

I have been thinking about this tonight. It just seems all a bit crazy with house prices going through the roof which makes me feel unsettled.

I desperately want to buy but being risk adverse and with the current climate, well it doesn’t feel like the right time for me, personally.

Dustyboots · 19/03/2021 04:59

Estate agent has just advised us not to buy now!

We’re upsizing.

He says this madness will end in a few months. Current craziness is due to rush to beat stamp duty holiday and with furlough ending, job cuts and recession, prices will fall - not rise in the next few months.

changingnames786 · 19/03/2021 07:19

@Dustyboots that's quite a challenging environment for upsizers though, when the market stalls like that less comes onto the market because people tend to not move unless they really have to (divorce, death etc), a lot of areas already seem to be in that position struggling to find somewhere to move into- lots of threads on that. Plus as an upsizer you benefit less from price drops/stagnation as your house will also suffer.

I think it's very poor advice for an upsizer, FTB maybe, if I were you I would be keeping your eyes peeled.

teateaandcoffee · 19/03/2021 08:45

my experience, bought starter home 5 years ago, sold after 2 years and made 15% profit allowing us to move up the ladder. Interest rates are so low that paying off a mortgage atm is way more beneficial than saving, we’re now planning on overpaying a lot after remortgaging instead of saving ....BUT....
think hard about what position you will be in when you want to move up to next home, will you need more space due to a family, etc. How particular do you think you’ll be when it comes to next move. The reason being is we missed out on several houses prior to buying our current home due to being in a chain and a more attractive, no chain buyer was chosen, we matched their offer and more but if your seller needs to sell quick money doesn’t matter. We love our home but we did miss out on one in particular that would have also been a lovely home for a lot less money.
There are benefits to both but you will only be a first time buyer once and that gives you great bargaining power and makes you very attractive to sellers over someone who is in a chain.
Lots of things to consider and I don’t envy your predicament. I don’t see interest rates rising substantially anytime soon and house price increases do vary by area so look at trends carefully, are there new transport links planned, is there new investment coming to area, etc.
I think all you can do is trust your gut. Also, have you looked into / have the help to buy or lifetime isas for savings?

teateaandcoffee · 19/03/2021 08:46

Also don’t forget you will need around 10k when buying and selling your next home, which will eat into any profit you make on this house

WombatChocolate · 19/03/2021 09:08

Like all things....it depends.

If you intend to stay in a property for 5+ years, and you’re a first time buyer, I’d say to buy. Having a foot on the ladder is certainly worth something and the risk of falling house prices (and this is a very real risk) is mitigated by the fact 5 years will often be enough for recovery to happen. The way to further mitigate and reduce risk is to buy a do-er upper where you can add value. The worst property to buy is a new build where the price often sinks before it rises and there is usually no value to be had. You are most exposed in a new build when you buy it at the top of the market....and that is likely to be around now or soon.

If you already own and don’t need to move and have flexibility, I’d wait at the moment. It’s easy to be caught up in the frenzy, but house prices are very likely to drop and if you can wait a year or two until the economic consequences of all this are felt (job losses, less support to housing market from government....sad things for lots of people which will drive prices down) then you could get a bargain. But again, if you intend to stay long term, it can be worth just getting on with it.

The only other time it can be worth waiting, and this can be a risk, is if just another year of saving can mean you get the house instead of flat or the 3 bed instead of the 2 bed. This can cut out another expensive move 3 years down the line. The risk is prices rise faster than you can keep up with and you still can’t afford the bigger property and can afford the smaller one less easily. So you have to be realistic about the leap to the next property up and only save another year, if it really will be just another year and it’s not relying on too much saving in that period or an extremely limited rise across that period.

One thing that is certain about the housing market is uncertainties. We can predict broad patterns but exactly when they will happen and the magnitude to which they will happen is very difficult to predict. So often, just getting one with your life is the best thing, especially if you can mitigate the risks, I wouldn’t buy new build now. I wouldn’t buy an unusual house that might be harder hit by falling prices. I would buy somewhere where value can be added via modernisation or loft conversion or extension...even if you won’t do those immediately.

Sometimes, with hindsight, you realise you didn’t buy at the exact best time and if you’d waited or brought forward the purchase by a year, you’d have been 20k or more better off. As long as that 20k doesn’t give you negative equity or mean you can’t move later when you want to, or ruin some other big plan, you just have to forget about it and see it as 20k over a long term mortgage, that eventually means very litttle. Life has to be lived and moving up when you can afford it (assuming you need that bigger property ...not always a great idea if it then ties you to working patterns you’d rather not have) is usually the right thing to do. This certainly applies to getting your first property. For others, it’s often obvious a bigger property is needed. Quite how much bigger and how much stretch to go for, with all its consequences for you g families in particular, is something every family has to decide for itself.

Mistyminion · 19/03/2021 11:20

It's a difficult decision isn't it?

I want to buy now but my DH wants to wait another year. His reasons are that we'll be getting nursery funding soon so will have more disposable income and therefore can obtain a bigger mortgage therefore a bigger/better property. He also thinks prices are going to drop so we can get a bargain.

I don't share the same view. At the moment we could buy a 3 bed terrace, possibly 3 bed semi, in a suitable area. (We were priced out of houses in the area we rent around 18 months ago so our DC's will have to change schools if we want a house, even 2 bed flats in this area are pushing it now.) There's a real risk I could be made redundant in the near future. If we bought now we could still afford the mortgage on a 3 bed just on DH's salary but, if we wait, we wouldn't be able to get a big enough mortgage for a 3 bed just on DH's salary unless prices tanked. If the market crashes then lenders become stricter as to who they lend to so our deposit will need to go from being the equivalent of 10% to 20% or more. I'm also concerned about 95% mortgages being available again and more competition for FTB properties and this therefore pushing up the prices for what we want. So I'd be happier buying a 3 bed now that I can stay in (we have 2 DC's) and wade out negative equity if needs be than be in a position where we might not be able to buy in the future despite having a good deposit. A bigger mortgage also scares me, the current figures are more palatable to me.

SecondhandTable · 19/03/2021 11:27

Thanks all, so much to consider it's making me anxious.

We currently live in a typical sized three-bed Edwardian terrace, we have one toddler and pregnant with no.2. Our upstairs isn't great as it is really a two bed house that a previous owner made into three beds so apart from our huge master bedroom, both of the other bedrooms are small single bedrooms. We rent this from a relative at a lot less than market rate and as a gift to our deposit they are no longer charging us rent, if that makes sense. We would never buy a flat and ideally we would want to buy a larger 3 or 4 bed terrace or semi with a garden or drive in our area in a few years time and likely stay put there. However we cannot afford to do this for a few years and prices are rising and rising at a stupid rate. A relative bought a £200k 3 bed terrace around here about a year ago and all the comparable houses are now selling for £220k (sometimes even more if high spec). So she's made about £20k in a year! If we were to move now we would be looking to buy one of those terraces priced between £160-£220k depending on condition and street. We could buy this one from our relative for that bracket however we are concerned the value may fall in future - it's a tiny street and every house except us and next door has been converted into flats. This is annoying for us for parking and noise reasons and next door (the only other house) has been up for sale for 4 months or so with little interest. I'm concerned if that house gets turned into a flat the noise for us could be awful if we get unlucky with neighbours and am concerned this would make this one hard to sell too/lower the value as it would only be desirable for investors to turn into flats, except our house was refurbed less than 3 yrs ago at considerable cost and isn't dated etc like next door.

We both have help to buy ISAs however we have only just realised you can only use these on properties worth up to £250k anyway! So that's another incentive to potentially move sooner as if we wait those years we won't be able to make use of any bonus as the houses we'd be buying would likely be over £250k.

There are no 'starter' new builds in this area at all so that's not an option at all. Project house isn't an option either as we don't have the cash to do any real work on a house which is frustrating. Unless people take loans out for this kind of thing, would that potentially be an option? I know long-term it would be the best investment round here. However demand far exceeds supply in this area and project houses usually get snapped up straight away by cash buying investors. Local people here are really getting priced out by investors and people who move up from down south after selling their way more expensive houses.

How much does moving cost in terms of fees, taxes etc? We really feel so out of our depth with all this I can't thank you all enough for your considered replies.

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lastqueenofscotland · 19/03/2021 12:23

You may find if you save and you just “keep up” with the market your increased budget doesn’t get you much more than you get now.

JohnandMary · 19/03/2021 12:55

Could you buy a house and rent it out, continue to live where you are and save, and then sell the rental property when you’ve saved enough for a bigger house?

teateaandcoffee · 19/03/2021 13:01

Given that info I would definitely buy. Sounds like the benefits definitely outweigh the downsides.

If you like the area and the schools that is something you can’t put a price on and its worth the investment.

What you could do is buy somewhere with the potential to do a loft conversion or build out into the back, so that in case you couldn’t move again in a few years you could improve the house. If the house had gained value your ltv would have increased so you could potentially release some equity from your mortgage. Your house would then increase in value again due to your improvements.
Buy the worst house on the best street is good advice :) good luck!

WombatChocolate · 19/03/2021 13:28

You probably need to accept you aren’t going to live in a pristine house. Loads of people buy a doer-upper or one which isn’t quite big enough and can not afford to do the work immediately. They have to save up and d the work perhaps 2 or 5 or 10 years down the line.

You need to take the long view. What you really want isn’t affordable to you at the moment and the market is risky. The best thing is to buy a property that has the POTENTIAL to be what you want, and accept you’ll have to live in less than ideal conditions for a while, it’s life! You’ll have the reassurance of knowing you will be able to add value and weather any downturns because of the value you will add...perhaps not immediately, but later.