Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Property/DIY

Join our Property forum for renovation, DIY, and house selling advice.

Talk to me about buying a new build home

27 replies

CupcakesK · 16/01/2021 17:23

We’re looking at buying a new build house, but have previously only owned older homes so we’re not sure what the pros/cons and things we need to think about are.

Obviously we know that we’ll be getting a smaller home than an older house. However in our area there isn’t much that is suitable and that which is, needs a fair amount of work (for the same price as the new build).

We’re looking to buy with Avant homes, any advice greatly received. Thanks!

OP posts:
CupcakesK · 17/01/2021 09:20

Bumping

OP posts:
clareykb · 17/01/2021 09:28

Hi we brought a new build last year after living in older properties,Ike you it wasn't what we thought of doing but we wanted 4 beds and a garage and all the 4 beds in our area where terraces, needed work or were squillions over budget. I love our new house our heating bills etc have plummeted and it is nice not to constantly be doing maintenance! My top tips are to negotiate on extras. Our old house was under offer, we managed to knock 5k off purchase price and get stamp duty paid, money towards legal fees and flooring included. Apparently they are more likely to offer extras than go down on price but the stamp duty was a huge one. Also make a snagging list and be a bit pushy on getting things fixed. We had a few although not loads and not serious and they were fixed fairly quickly but I did keep asking politely! Good luck, I never pictured us in a new build but love it now.

HeddaGarbled · 17/01/2021 09:34

I know two people whose new builds weren’t finished on time and who had to find temporary accommodation for several months so have some contingency plans if yours isn’t finished.

Wilmslow · 17/01/2021 09:37

Beware build quality and finish. Builders may try to get away with the cheapest of everything.

CupcakesK · 17/01/2021 10:08

Thanks @clareykb sounds like you've had a really good experience.

I worry I'll end up in a situation the other posters have said. Avant homes online reviews are not great either.

OP posts:
Cheeseycheeseycheesecheese · 17/01/2021 10:16

Be wary of managed estates.

Dh and I bought a new build with a service charge as the council haven't adopted the roads. We remortgaged last/into this year and because the charge is noted as "rent" in the deeds the remortgage took 10 months to complete.

There are 2 options, a deed of variation or taking out indemnity insurance and not all lenders will accept the insurance, so be wary once you've got your mip as to whether your lender will accept the service charge/rent.

Lovely additional stress on top of an already stressful year.

Throwntothewolves · 17/01/2021 10:45

Dont assume the houses will be smaller. We got a much bigger house for the money than we could have afforded in an older style. The gardens are usually smaller though.

Remember people generally only post negative reviews, but don't ignore any 'themes'.

Like PP suggested, negotiate on extras rather than price, unless the houses aren't selling for some reason. We got solicitors fees, stamp duty, and some internal upgrades included.

Make sure you check the plan for the estate so you know how the other houses being built might affect you (overlooked, block the sun etc). Check how the road outside might be used (is it access to many other houses, likely to be used as a 'rat run' etc). For some reason the builders built one of the houses behind us a couple of feet higher than the others so it seemed far more imposing. I've no idea why they did that as the ground was all the same level and it was not indicated on the plan. We just grew a really tall hedge to block it out.
Be aware that planned amenities such as shops etc may never appear. Even play areas can take them years to build.

The target date to move in will likely be pushed back with various excuses, most often 'the weather', which I think is a cop out as shit weather is predictable in the UK.

Be prepared to spend a lot on extras when you move in. Light fittings are usually just bare bulbs, and there are no curtain rails, blind fittings etc. Allow time on moving day to put curtains/blinds up in the bedrooms you will use.

There will be 'snags'. Make sure you report anything to the builder asap.

Depending on your stage of life, lifestyle etc buying a new build can be a great decision. It's perfect where we are for families as the school is just up the road and all DS' friends live close by. There are play areas, kick pitches etc nearby too.

People can be negative about new builds because they all look the same, are perceived as being small and perhaps poorer quality than older properties, but I think a lot of that is snobbery, or even jealousy. Why would anyone care where someone else chooses to live after all?

Throwntothewolves · 17/01/2021 10:49

Oh and there will be an annual maintenance charge that all properties have to pay to maintain the area, street lights etc. It isn't ridiculously expensive, but it can seem like you get nothing for the money. You cannot opt out when buying though

bluepie · 17/01/2021 11:30

We have lived in a number of new builds, not one has had a management fee by the way, the council maintained the area, I think we've gotten unusually lucky with that though!

So in my experience it depends on budget and area, in our last house we definitely could have gotten a much bigger house for our money, but without the mod cons we wanted (aka more than one toilet!) with this house move our budget was much larger, and as such the house itself is probably the same if not actually bigger than the older houses available for our budget. We have a 4 bed with double garage, 2 bathrooms (3 x WC) BUT the garden is small, no denying that, it didn't matter to us as we just need a nice area to dine, a seating area and a play area and it has that, but it is very small for the size of the house. Other plots have bigger gardens, but we loved our plot. That was the biggest compromise but for us worth it. Check the direction of the sun and the houses around it.

The key when choosing a plot is to look at its position on the estate and the parking available, we picked an end of cul de sac plot that gives us effectively 4 parking spaces, it's an estate of detached properties all with 2 parking spaces and a garage so parking isn't too much of an issue here, we didn't want people walking past our house. But our last estate was more classic new build parking on roads, again we were end of cul de sac with some sneaky extra parking on our plot due to the angle. Priceless.

Look at the layout of the houses next to yours, what windows back onto yours? Our estate is quite clever in that even though houses are close to each other, the estate is configured in a way that the houses behind us are angled so the windows that look at our garden aren't major living spaces, it's the fourth bedroom or frosted hallway window.

Not all estates are built equally. Our estate has had the "award winning site manager" for 2 years in a row, he has a lot to prove and as such our post move experience has been excellent. They even popped by after the storm last month, months after we moved in, to check all was ok (it was). We had a snagging report done, he said it was one of the best houses he'd seen and he'd be happy with it, the report was passed to them and everything was fixed within a couple of weeks, very minor things. I know some people can have really bad experiences with this, so research not just the developer but the development as each site is managed differently. Houses are built by people, mistakes happen, what's important is how the site manager deals with it, so expect snags but research the customer experience.

Negotiate incentives, it's usually difficult to negotiate the price, incentives are where you can get savings. The usual ones are (accepted by mortgage companies) kitchen upgrades, flooring, stamp duty, removals and mortgage cash back. All though these are all different items, they usually see it as an overall figure. If you want £10,000 of incentives, either work out what that is to you eg stamp duty and flooring, or be blunt and ask them to save you £10,000. We did the latter, basically said we needed X amount to proceed and they amended incentives to fit to it.

You will have to exchange within 4-6 weeks. It's extremely stressful if you are selling a house, they will chase you emphatically, but generally speaking, if you can demonstrate progress they will stick with you. But I do know people who have lost out, this was the one part of the process I hated and didn't go well for us, we nearly lost this house in the 11th hour. It was awful and I hated the developer at that time.

All in all we've had positive experiences with new builds. We haven't had management fees, have had plenty of parking, have chosen plots that aren't too overlooked and with nice outlooks, and this house in particular is the perfect size for us, configured for modern living and energy efficient. I know people talk about "premiums" but how much money do people normally spend when they buy a house? Correcting decoration, replacing a boiler, electrics etc? We didn't need to do any of that (particularly due to our incentives) so for people with less cash up front it can be an easier financial choice. We still made a profit on our last house selling within 3 years, and the new builds here have held very well, some exceptionally, because the new build area itself is the most desirable area of the town. So it's worth looking at how new builds have held their prices in your area. But if it's a long term purchase, Covid and Brexit aside, new builds will eventually make a profit, it depends where as to how quickly, in some areas it's faster than their older counterparts.

Sorry that is A LOT, I'm a bit passionate about it because they get such a bad rap on here, but we've had a great experience with them and I love them.

CupcakesK · 17/01/2021 13:06

Thanks for all of the advice. This is going to be our last major house move so I have already checked out the plans and picked a couple of suitable plots for parking and location etc. I'm an overthinker by nature and would check out all aspects before committing, just worried there are things I've not thought of.

One thing I'm worried about is having to potentially rent until the house is ready. I don't think this would be suitable for us as we have 2 dogs, a cat and a toddler! I think its very unlikely we'll find a landlord who'll accept us. It may be possible for us to borrow some money from relatives and use all of our own savings to buy the new house, then sell our old one once a moving in date is confirmed. Then we would need to remortgage once the old house has sold. Has any one done this, or have any other suggestions as to how we can manage this if renting is out

Is there any way of finding out if the council have adopted the estate prior to buying and solicitor searches?

@bluepie so glad you've had positive experiences. Which building companies did you buy from?

OP posts:
CupcakesK · 17/01/2021 13:09

Oh and another question, the house style we're looking at has no door to the kitchen (just an opening). For several reasons, this is something that we would need adding pretty much on moving in. Are these alterations the kind of thing you can get the builder to do, or do you usually need to hire your own person to do it later on?

Have you kept the kitchen/bathroom that comes with the property or installed your own shortly after purchase?

OP posts:
GreekOddess · 17/01/2021 13:16

Our dealings with the developer we bought from were stressful to say the least. They were a fairly smallish developer with zero customer service skills.

I can't fault the house though. It's been built with modern living in mind, good quality finish, sturdy build, more than we could've wished for.

On Mumsnet you will mainly see negative responses about new builds. People assume you have no taste and that all new builds are soulless and rabbit hutch like.

I love my house.

TeaSoakedDisasterMagnet · 17/01/2021 13:17

We’ve lived in older properties and now live in new build. It’s cheaper to run in terms of heating etc, much more energy efficient.

Why do you want to change the bathrooms? You’re paying for a brand new bathroom in the new build. If you buy early enough in the process you choose bathroom tiles, kitchen etc.

You wouldn’t necessarily need to rent before moving into the house either, you just need to be upfront with your buyers about moving into new build. You get estimated completion dates etc. There’s always incentives options like part exchange.

bluepie · 17/01/2021 13:18

Barratt was our most recent positive experience, Kier before that a local developer before that.

In my experience there is very little appetite to deviate from the plans at all. Kier we wanted a different style door and it was an absolute no! (The same door some of the other houses had but we didn't like the one picked for us as it didn't have glass so was dark). With Barratt we literally couldn't do anything as the build was too far advanced. So it'll depend how advanced the build is and how flexible the developer, I know some people on here have managed to get en-suites changed to cupboards so others are more successful than me!

What's the time lag from selling to completion? You could try and ask your buyer if they'll wait and do a long stop completion, I have heard of people on here doing it. We went into rented despite a very short completion window largely because we had the option of a very flexible rental so wasn't an issue.

And the developer will be able to tell you immediately if there is a management fee or not.

GreekOddess · 17/01/2021 13:18

Personally I would want a door on the kitchen. We cook a lot and I hate food smells wafting around the house.

We haven't replaced the kitchen or bathroom. No reason to. We didn't get to choose them as our house was already finished but I like the designs anyway.

bluepie · 17/01/2021 13:22

And definitely kept our kitchen and bathrooms! I couldn't bring myself to rip out brand new ones even if I hated! If you reserve early enough you can pick tiles etc, we didn't but I liked what was picked thankfully!

CupcakesK · 17/01/2021 13:41

The company seems very reluctant to sell to anyone who isn't able to exchange 6 weeks after agreeing to buy and the houses won't be ready until the end of the year, which seems like a long time to string a buyer of our house along for (our house buyer is likely to be a first-time buyer). And I worry about losing the sale.

The kitchen cabinets are really ugly and quite cheap looking, even though there is a choice. I'd live with them, but just wondering if anyone had immediately changed them.

On the other hand we really need to move in the next 1-2 years and have been looking for older houses for 1 year+ with very little that's come to the market (we live in a village and want to stay here, so limited choices as many houses are Victorian cottages)

OP posts:
bluepie · 17/01/2021 14:09

Yes exchanging within 6 weeks is very standard, you'd have a long stop completion so you exchange now and complete down the line within a 3 month window. There's another thread going on about this about 10% on exchange if you look. The only thing I don't understand about them expecting exchange within 6 weeks if completion isn't until the end of the year is the lack of mortgages that would be available, I'm pretty sure Halifax is one of the only lenders that does a long one and that's only 9 months, 3-6 months is standard so I would ask them about that first and foremost because you can't exchange knowing your mortgage offer won't last to completion. But if the gap is long I suppose rent (or family and storage) is the only option unless you have the world's most patient buyers!!

SendHelp30 · 17/01/2021 14:11

Avoid Avant OP. Very bad rep, use the cheapest materials they can get away with and their standard of finish is to the minimum that NHBC require to give the warranty.

DH owns a building firm and wouldn’t send any of his lads near an Avant contract

TeaSoakedDisasterMagnet · 17/01/2021 17:59

New build is supposed to be convenient so if none of it lines up for you, then you need to keep looking I think.

I don’t think the issue is that it’s new build, I think this particular site isn’t right.

LolaSparkle · 18/01/2021 11:38

We completed on our Avant home just before Christmas. The exchange to complete process was a bit stressful as their legal team were useless at responding to my solicitor, however the house we absolutely adore! The build quality from what we've experienced so far is a million percent better than our previous Taylor Wimpey and Barratt homes, we've had very few minor snags all of which have been addressed promptly with only a couple still outstanding and appointments already booked in to fix.
We do have a management fee to pay, but it's not excessive as as we purchased the last plot on our development, as soon as the roads have been finished and a dispute with the entrance resolved with the council, we've been advised that our local council can adopt the development.
It's also worth calling out that I've never moved on to a more welcoming and friendly estate. It's been wonderful!
Overall, our experience with Avant has been really positive and would absolutely buy a home from them again.

user1471538283 · 18/01/2021 18:23

I would absolutely buy a new build and I've always had period properties. New builds are quieter and have decent insulation.

As for renting I think a landlord would take you on. We have two cats and I explained what they were like and offered pet rent. Landlords are finding it hard to get people in. We have a lovely warm new build apartment!

CupcakesK · 18/01/2021 19:00

Thanks everyone, really useful info.
So conflicted about Avant as some reviews online are awful and on the whole seem worse than other companies, but the houses seem so nice! Where we live it’s either a new one with Avant homes or wait an indeterminate time for a suitable house to come on the market.

With regards to the mortgage, they offer their mortgage broker, who I’d be reluctant to use, so they may be able to give longer offers. However the houses are due to complete in September, but with COVID and another delays I think end of the year would be more realistic (none of the houses for sale have been started yet)

@LolaSparkle which house model did you buy? So glad you’ve had a positive experience. We’re looking at the Lathbury or Ramsbury

OP posts:
bluepie · 18/01/2021 19:12

@CupcakesK using their broker is usually fine, they keep things moving quickly, our recommended broker was the best we've ever had, I will go back to him. It's solicitors you need to be more careful with, as you need them to work in your best interests.

Our house was actually brought forward with Covid delays, they pushed the date back to November factoring in the tightest Covid restrictions, only allowing one trade in the house at a time etc, but they ended up over estimating and bringing us forward. So hopefully they'll have factored Covid into your dates.

LolaSparkle · 18/01/2021 20:30

@CupcakesK we purchased the Tetbury and I love everything about it!
I think the problem with looking for feedback online, the vast majority will be negative as people are more vocal when they're unhappy about something.
If you're on Instagram there are loads of home accounts from Avant owners, myself included and I've made so many avant friends and other than the odd niggle I'm yet to meet anyone who's had any severe issues with them 🙂

Swipe left for the next trending thread