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Feel unsafe: Windows nailed shut

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RasherOfWind · 31/12/2020 14:27

I rent a second floor Grade II Listed flat which is owned by a private landlord.

There is also a management company who manage the whole block and a maintenance company who are supposed to maintain the outside and the communal areas. The management company seem to change regularly and the new lot seem reluctant to deal with anything (for example, a recent letter sent out with no contact email address on, and they never answer the phone). The maintenance company are supposed to clean windows etc every three months but these haven't been cleaned for years. My reminders were just ignored until I gave up.

There have been some issues with a rotting window frame in my flat which is of course the responsibility of the maintenance company, paid for via the management company, to whom large fees are paid.

The owner and myself have had no success in getting any response from the management company and the owner decided, in frustration, that he would arrange for the repairs himself. We are both aware that as the property is Grade II Listed, we will require Listed Building Consent before any external work is carried out. This too has been a stumbling block as we have not been able to obtain a response from the Planning Dept at the Council.

I made the mistake of telling a neighbour the above. She knows the guys who work for the maintenance company and reported the issue to them without telling me she had done so. I was quite annoyed that she had gone behind my back and not even told me she had done this.

Having not bothered with the windows for years, the management company suddenly panicked and declared the window "dangerous". It really wasn't - their own contractor had confirmed this. They came this morning to fix a hoarding to the window which means that the window cannot be opened.

There are only three windows in the whole flat, and the other two have been paint-sealed shut (not by the current owner) ever since I've lived here. Now the third window, the only window which opens, has been nailed shut.

The hoarding is likely to remain in place for at least a couple of months as it will probably take this long to obtain the Listed Building Consent required before a permanent fix can be made.

I do not have any psychological issues in this regard, but I now feel quite unsafe and claustrophobic at home as none of the windows in the flat open and no fresh air can circulate.

I also worry that this is a fire risk as I would not be able to escape through the window should I need to, and I cannot open any windows to allow smoke to leave in the event of a small localised fire.

If this was the situation for only a couple of weeks I could tolerate it, but the windows will be un-openable for a minimum of a couple of months and I don't think I will be able to tolerate that.

Please, can anyone advise me what I can do?

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kizkiz · 31/12/2020 14:46

I have one of these.
www.amazon.co.uk/Emergency-Hammer-Window-Breaker-Lifeaxe/dp/B00EFZC62Q?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

That will solve the escape issue at least

RasherOfWind · 31/12/2020 15:05

Thank you for replying @kizkiz.

Even if I smashed a window I still would not be able to escape. I could only fit through an opened window, not through a smashed pane. Listed building; sash windows.

I was more looking for advice on whether it is legal to have all the windows unable to be opened, and whether a hoarding can legally be fitted to a Listed Building without Listed Building Consent.

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MotherExtraordinaire · 31/12/2020 15:27

Look at this:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-rent-a-safe-home/how-to-rent-a-safe-home

RasherOfWind · 31/12/2020 16:19

Thanks so much @MotherExtraordinaire.

Was planning on moving out in the spring anyway so I'll just move the date forward by a few weeks.

Happy New Year!

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murbblurb · 01/01/2021 12:41

what is the EPC on this place? Bet it isn't legal.

good news that you are taking the only possible action and leaving. The only way to get rid of shitholes rented out by crooks is not to rent them.

megletthesecond · 01/01/2021 12:44

Fire safety team at the local brigade or council. I'm not sure who covers rentals these days.

RasherOfWind · 01/01/2021 13:27

@murbblurb

what is the EPC on this place? Bet it isn't legal.

good news that you are taking the only possible action and leaving. The only way to get rid of shitholes rented out by crooks is not to rent them.

@murbblurb Actually, my home is not a "shithole", as you so beautifully put it.

You seem to be implying that this is my fault for renting a "shithole" in the first place.

Really, why did you bother replying at all if you have nothing helpful, constructive or supportive to add?

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RasherOfWind · 01/01/2021 13:36

@megletthesecond

Fire safety team at the local brigade or council. I'm not sure who covers rentals these days.
@megletthesecond

Thank you so much, I had not thought of the fire safety team, I would think they would be on it pretty quickly.

Not so sure that the Council would be much use, but I will certainly report it to them. My previous experience with them was worse than useless.

Hope the new year brings you some happiness! Flowers

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murbblurb · 01/01/2021 16:34

oh dear, the MN oversensitivity...

of course it's not your fault that you have a crap landlord and I cannot understand why you have taken it that way. No-one should have to live in places like this.Can't imagine why you are defending this place but each to their own.

anyway, good luck.

RasherOfWind · 01/01/2021 17:38

@murbblurb

You clearly did not read the post properly. The owner is not "crap". He has been doing everything possible to get it sorted. The delay is in large part because it is necessary to obtain Listed Building Consent before any work is done.

You say you "cannot understand why I have taken it that way". It might be because you called him a "crook". He isn't.

"No-one should have to live in places like this". Like what? You do not know where I live and have assumed it is a "shithole". It isn't.

Stop insulting my home and the owner of it when you know nothing about either.

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NotDavidTennant · 01/01/2021 17:45

Could you or the landlord look at reopening the windows that have been painted shut? To me that looks like an obvious quick fix that wouldn't require the involvement of the management company or any kind of planning consent.

Sunshine3013 · 01/01/2021 17:48

Oh gosh I couldn't think of anything more claustrophobic than not being able to open windows in my home! Hope you get it sorted.

FAQs · 01/01/2021 17:49

It probably doesn’t need an EPC if it’s listed. Second the local fire community officer he/she could probably be useful.

Schehezarade · 01/01/2021 17:59

You could smash the window with a hammer and drape a folded towel/ sheet over the jagged edges to climb out. I've mostly lived in old houses and the windows never open enough to climb out.

RasherOfWind · 01/01/2021 19:26

@NotDavidTennant: Thank you, that might be possible. I did try to open them when I first moved in but they wouldn't budge. I fear if I tried to force them, I might do more damage, especially with the frames being quite fragile due to being so weather beaten.

@Sunshine3013: Thank you, you are right, it does feel claustrophobic. Even though I might not have the windows open in cold weather, the knowledge that I could if I wanted to is psychologically reassuring.

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RasherOfWind · 01/01/2021 19:58

@FAQs: Thank you, as a general rule that is correct, although I think it did have an EPC and it scored quite poorly if I remember. It's a former Georgian coaching inn and I do love living in old buildings, even though there are disadvantages.

I have just emailed the Community Fire Safety Team and hopefully they'll be able to kick some arses!

@Schehezarade: Thank you. These have sash windows which open right up and would easily allow enough space to climb through. If I smashed a window as you said, it would not be big enough as the glass panes are not very big.

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