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Tenant asking for rent reduction due to scaffolding

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babychange12 · 24/06/2020 16:12

Our tenants have asked for a 20% rent reduction because the flat they are renting needs maintenance work to the exterior. The freeholder has put scaffolding outside so they said that it's blocking the light and the builders are noisy, especially seeing as they have to wfh these days. The work is meant to take 5 months because of Covid builders are social distancing so can't have as many people on site.

I personally feel that the amount they are asking for is too high - it's like a month free rent? Aibu? The agent hasn't advised one way or the other.

They are generally good tenants. They've only been in the flat for 18 months.

Maybe we will give them 10% off.

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Westfacing · 24/06/2020 16:19

I'm not a landlord but I'd say 20% is a reasonable request.

I owned and lived-in a mansion block that had scaffolding outside for around 2 months and that was long enough - it blocks the light, builders are necessarily noisy, and of course it's a big security risk, particularly in this very hot weather.

I wouldn't be happy with that for five months.

babychange12 · 24/06/2020 16:22

May I ask if you got a rent reduction? Or did you own the property so not relevant?

I'm just trying to gauge what is reasonable

I might go back to freeholders and complain about it taking so long

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LaurieFairyCake · 24/06/2020 16:29

How do they open the windows?

5 months is so long when you're working from home

Viviennemary · 24/06/2020 16:32

I think that is an extremely reasonable suggestion.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 24/06/2020 16:33

Why should they pay full rent to listen to the builders all day for 5 months. Or have them potentially looking into their flat? Does the freeholder not compensate you for the disruption and you pass that on to the tenant?

babychange12 · 24/06/2020 16:35

Good question about the freeholder.. I will ask!

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m00rfarm · 24/06/2020 16:43

But if you owned the property and lived there, would you ask the bank to reduce the mortgage for that period of time? And what happens when someone else does building nearby? I am not sure - if they are great tenants then offer 10%. But I would not offer more than that.

LST · 24/06/2020 16:47

They are being CF! If you lived there you wouldn't be asking the bank for 20% off your mortgage. My God!

PerkingFaintly · 24/06/2020 16:58

Hmm You also don't ask the bank to repair the boiler, and don't start paying the bank more when your property's value goes up.

A mortgage is an agreement with a bank to borrow a certain sum of money. Rent is a contract between a land owner and tenant for use of a property at whatever they mutually agree is a reasonable rate is at the time.

The market rate of a property with scaffolding outside for months may well be lower than the market rate of one without – as the OP will discover if she attempts to find new tenants while the property is like that.

ArfArfBarf · 24/06/2020 17:03

I’m a landlord and I think 20% is reasonable. You’ll have a lot longer than one month without rent if they give notice now.

Nameisthegame · 24/06/2020 17:05

Personally I don’t think they are being unreasonable, building work sucks , being stuck with that outside your front is a major inconvenience, you will be hard pressed to find new tenants. It benefits your property it’s not they’re forever home.

WombatChocolate · 24/06/2020 17:23

I'm a landlord and I had my property re-rendered earlier this year. I was very careful to let the tenant know the plans in advance and anytime a contractor was coming to look and bid for the contract, plus when they were starting work etc. I bent over backwards to keep them informed and check every date suited them, although being outside work they didn't need to be in obviously.

Before the work started, I said I'd like to give them a cheque for £300 because of the inconvenience. I didn't offer a rent reduction as it goes through an agent and it would have been complicated to give a 1-off reduction. The skip was on their drive and scaffolding up for about 2-3 weeks. Luckily it was all over before the lockdown issue started. The tenant was really pleased by the offer and said they hadn't expected anything.

I felt it was right to offer something. The scaffolding didn't impact access or create a particular problem for them, but the skip meant they couldn't use their drive and there will have been some noise and dust, even though the workmen were excellent at cleaning up. Importantly, when they signed the contract, we did mention that the rendering needed doing and would significantly improve the building, and we would be doing it during the year.

What I gave was nowhere near 20% of a years rent. Did they actually want 20% off the months' rent? I wonder if it was that and not off the year. I was giving them about 25% of the months rent off. I thought it was right to offer something, but didn't feel I needed to offer more than £300 and they seemed really pleased with it.

I think pre-emptiness is a good move as a landlord. Always inform tenants of planned works and consult with them about timings to suit them. Recognise inconvenience caused and offer either a rent reduction or a one-off gift. It's important to smooth the way and build good relations. If you don't, tenants might become disgruntled,mperfeclty reasonably and then you might be faced with either reasonable or unreasonable demands. If you cause inconvenience you should expect to pay something, although for external work, this would be less than for internal work I think, if the property and all its facilities remain fully habitable.

Pre-emoting builds a sense of tenant being respected and valued. It encourages good feeling and makes tenants more likely to stay. It also builds positive relationships about communicating about items that need mending etc - tenants more likely to say early if there is a leak etc, which means it can be fixed before it gets too bad. It's always better to be on the front-foot building good relationships, not doing things which annoy the tenant and build poor relationships and annoyance....that's when tenants hand in notice, or start asking for rent reductions.

20% of a months rent - very fair. 20% of the year - that's more than 2 months rent - not justifiable when the property is inhabitable and the work is short term like that.

WombatChocolate · 24/06/2020 17:33

Actually, having re-read Op, I think tenant wants 20% off each month work going on. I actually gave 25% cheque for 2-3 weeks work - so now 20% doesn’t sound such a high request.

The difference is mine was a short job. I wouldn’t have been keen to lose £300 for 5 months, but if the inconvenience lasts that time it’s not unreasonable. In my case, it was me organising work, not a freeholder. I encouraged the workmen not to hang about and to be very respectful to tenants. I was in control. Op isn’t and definitely needs to get onto the freeholder to speed it all up if poss.

It’s a shame Op didn’t offer a discount without being asked. They may well have accepted 10% if offered it before work started. Now they feel a bit annoyed about the whole thing.

KaptainKaveman · 24/06/2020 17:37

20% is not unreasonable at all.

Newgirls · 24/06/2020 17:39

I think it sounds reasonable and you need to compare it to loss of income if they move out and it’s empty for a month or two

KingofDinobots · 24/06/2020 17:46

Sounds reasonable to me. If they simply give notice instead you’re not going to find new tenants.

PleasePassTheCoffeeThanks · 24/06/2020 18:57

Not unreasonable, imagine living in lockdown with scaffolding blocking your windows! For 5 months!

Our landlord offered 20% when there was a water leak - no damage but downstairs loo out of order and workmen in on 2-3 occasions and some cleaning afterwards.

PineappleUpsideDownCake · 24/06/2020 19:02

Sounds reasonable. Id rather move than spend 5 months renting a place with builders. It would really affect me.

LolaSkoda · 24/06/2020 19:43

They’re absolutely reasonable. They could instead be giving you notice to quit.

mumwon · 24/06/2020 20:34

I am just imagining councillor housing association giving reduction...
I know in a friends case there was a leak - & boy did they take the time to repair & deal with issues & downstairs neighbours had to move out - did HA offer money - nope

babychange12 · 24/06/2020 20:52

To be honest, I wasn't even aware the work was happening! I've just had a baby and the managing agent for the freeholders stopped sending letters due to Covid so I totally missed that the work was going to happen! Totally my fault I know

It sounds like 20% is reasonable - so I might say yes. I haven't said anything to the agent yet but just have been speaking to the freeholders now.

I have now gone back to the freeholder to push them for a better estimate of the timelines. I can't imagine other people wanting to live with scaffolding for 5 months!

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Letthemysterybe · 25/06/2020 08:41

mumwon it was many years ago, but when we were council residents we had scaffolding up for months as they had to re-front the houses. We received a rent reduction of about 25%.

I think 20% reduction is a reasonable ask.

AIMD · 25/06/2020 09:00

I agree it is reasonable to offer 20%.

jcurve · 25/06/2020 09:06

Reasonable to offer 20%. Scaffolding is awful in hot weather - security is an issue because you can’t leave windows open safely, natural daylight is impaired, and on top of that, you have to listen to the builders bellowing all day. Plus the scaffolding won’t disappear the moment work is finished as scaffolding companies are cheeky & don’t take down until they are ready to put up at a new job, they don’t like storing scaffolding.

I’m an owner & our freeholder had scaffolding up for 5 months over summer the year we moved in. It was awful, and that was with being out of the house every day.

CameronMcGrath · 05/01/2021 17:17

Thank you guys