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Noisy neighbours and soundproofing

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amber1995 · 06/06/2020 19:01

DH and I have just bought our first house - moved in just before lockdown - we absolutely love it and are slowly making our way through the decorating.

The one catch is the neighbours. They are a couple (haven't really spoken to them, apart from the occasional necessary text, due to lockdown) with two kids (one is 6 and the other around 2).
The couple (especially the husband) yell at the kids and each other A LOT. I don't mind the kids occasionally crying, and if anything, I quite like a bit of six/two-year old laughter coming through the walls. It's just the shouting.

On VE day, they'd been in the street drinking with neighbours (I'm vulnerable so stayed well away), I think that was the worst it had been so far. It was about 11pm and the older one was watching tv in her bedroom and he went into her bedroom really really yelled at her for having her tv on that late at night, it sounded like he was ripping it off the wall, and then his wife went in and shouted at him "she's six years old for fs sake!" (This is the only reason I know she's 6).
But other than that, it's constant. The kids make a bit of noise, the parents shout at them to "shut up" (regularly swear at them) and then they cry, sometimes for a fairly prolonged period of time, which then includes one of them shouting "WHY ARE YOU CRYING?!?". I generally don't like to judge other people's parenting styles but they just seem far too quick to go from 1 to 10. From what I've heard the kids being told off for in the garden where it's clearer (promise I'm not purposefully earwigging - they're just very loud!), they just seem to get shouted at for very minor misbehaviours. The kind of thing that requires a quiet "can we play a bit more nicely" rather than a "SHUT THE F UP!!!".

Last night they were really going at each other, something about texts and bills. As I write this, one of the kids is crying and the dad is shouting at her for crying.

I kind of hope that this is just due to lockdown and the stress it causes some people and when everything is back to normal, they'll relax a little bit more and stop shouting at their kids for absolutely nothing. Either that or they break up because they're clearly not happy and move out, giving us lovely quiet neighbours.

I find it a little bit irritating and would rather not be listening to it (very glad I'm not a shift worker!), but it's really getting to DH. It's partly that being made to listen to something so unpleasant is getting him down, and partly he has a table top gaming group he usually hosts once a week and he's worried about it kicking off next door when all his friends are over. It's funny, my original worry about living in a relatively new semi was his gaming group making noise at night when there's young kids next door - I didn't like the idea of being responsible for waking someone else's kids up.

So, soundproofing...
We've already got as many things on the walls as is possible, so we're thinking about getting some proper soundproofing in. If there's anyone who has had it, how much was it? If we had it, we'd get the lounge, dining room and one bedroom (the other on the adjoining wall has fitted wardrobes so we don't hear too much through that). And how well did it work?

We don't know what is going to happen to our jobs when all this is over, so I'm not a big fan of getting expensive work done - we might need our savings. But if it's not too bad and it does work, it's something to consider.

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Heronwatcher · 07/06/2020 10:49

Sorry if this is not what you want to hear, but I am not sure that any soundproofing will solve this issue. I know it is reasonably effective between floors in a conversion flat for example but it sounds as though you would almost have to do the entire wall between the houses in your case. If you really want to do it I think your best bet would be a false wall with soundproofing inside but obviously the garden/ once a window is open will still be an issue. Could you try moving your main living areas to the other side of your house? Or maybe get to know them a bit better which might help?

SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing · 07/06/2020 10:56

"I find it a little bit irritating and would rather not be listening to it (very glad I'm not a shift worker!), but it's really getting to DH. It's partly that being made to listen to something so unpleasant is getting him down"

Imagine how the 6yo feeds. Call the NSPCC for advice. This is emotional abuse.

SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing · 07/06/2020 10:57

*feels

UrbanDoughnut · 07/06/2020 10:59

I'm amazed you've put this in home and property. Call the police or SS

amber1995 · 07/06/2020 22:10

@SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing

"I find it a little bit irritating and would rather not be listening to it (very glad I'm not a shift worker!), but it's really getting to DH. It's partly that being made to listen to something so unpleasant is getting him down"

Imagine how the 6yo feeds. Call the NSPCC for advice. This is emotional abuse.

Tbh, my initial response was I really didn't like what was going on next door and we were considering contacting someone official over it.

But then everyone we mentioned it to, just seemed to brush it off. My own mum said that she sees it all the time in public where she works (parents shouting and swearing at their kids) and my dad said I shouldn't call the social on our neighbours just because they're shouting at their kids and not to judge other people's parenting (especially in the current situation) and I would be shocked in some estates (he used to work in council estates). Then others we've also mentioned it to (specifically the VE day incident), they just made us feel like we were overreacting.

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amber1995 · 07/06/2020 22:13

@SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing

"I find it a little bit irritating and would rather not be listening to it (very glad I'm not a shift worker!), but it's really getting to DH. It's partly that being made to listen to something so unpleasant is getting him down"

Imagine how the 6yo feeds. Call the NSPCC for advice. This is emotional abuse.

Sent too soon...

You're probably the first person that's made me feel like I wasn't overreacting.

I've started a diary with the dates I can remember and what happened and I've emailed the NSPCC to see if it is something they would take seriously.

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UrbanDoughnut · 07/06/2020 23:16

Well done. You're doing the right thing. It's not down to you or your dad etc etc to decide if something is wrong here. Your responsibility is to report concerns and then leave the experts to do their thing and they'll make the decisions

You're doing the right thing by those children. The majority of parents do not swear and shout at their young children

Squirreltamer · 07/06/2020 23:32

I installed a false wall soundproofing system on a 3m high by 5m wide wall at 1.5k. The sound proofing firms wanted 4K+ for what was 2 days work for average DIYers. I imagine a builder would do it for 2k-2.5k. Think the soundproofing companies know people are at their wits end! A music studio making company quoted me 3k.

. 2cm air gap
.7.5cm stud wall built not touching the original wall, Lined with rubber.
. Stud filled with highest density acoustic wool
. Genie clips
. Metal channel
. 20mm sound plank plasterboard
. Mass loaded vinyl
. 20mm sound plank plasterboard
. Plaster
. Paint

You’re gonna lose almost 20cm worth of room

Results -30db airborne sound and -10db structural sound

So I no longer hear them, but can hear the doors being opened/closed and their tv but quieter due to the fact it’s wall mounted and is now a structural sound!

But the walls were 13inch Victorian engineering brick so already blocked 50db or so.
But say their smoke alarm goes off it will bypass the system and it will be audible via my ceiling and side walls which weren’t soundproofed.

So in your instance with shouting there is a risk the sound will bypass the system unless you do the flanking walls/ceilings if they’re a weak link.

SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing · 08/06/2020 01:18

Well, this is the second time you've posted this, and plenty on your first thread said to call SS/NSPCC.

I'm glad you've contacted them though. Safeguarding children is everybody's responsibility.

Do follow up if they don't get back. Call your local team (number on your council website). Those poor kids.

SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing · 08/06/2020 01:20

People minimizing it is unfortunately very common and this contributes to incidents like this going unreported.

More might be going on that you're not aware of, as well, and that's what SS would be able to assess

amber1995 · 09/06/2020 16:28

@UrbanDoughnut

Well done. You're doing the right thing. It's not down to you or your dad etc etc to decide if something is wrong here. Your responsibility is to report concerns and then leave the experts to do their thing and they'll make the decisions

You're doing the right thing by those children. The majority of parents do not swear and shout at their young children

It's not a case of my parents making that decision, more that everyone made me feel like we were massively overreacting.

But looks like they're actually moving, so if the NSPCC do get back to me and I do need to give them further information, I wont be stuck with neighbours who know we shopped them.

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amber1995 · 09/06/2020 16:32

Update: They're moving. For sale sign went up today/yesterday.
So good for the reasons:

  1. We won't have to listen to the shouting and won't have to seriously consider expensive soundproofing.
  2. If the NSPCC do want more information and follow it up with the neighbours who will inevitably know it's us, we won't have to live next door to people for years who know we shopped them.
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