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Violetroselily · 18/10/2019 19:26

Have just got access to my new flat. It is electric only and has a white megaflo cylinder - pictures attached

Can anyone help a complete novice work out how it functions? It has a timer - also attached.

Assume I want it to run for a couple of hours during econ 7 time? Do I just do that using the pin wheel?

On it's current setting, I ran the hot tap and whilst it was cold at first, it did eventually whir and heat up. Does this mean its heating the water on demand?

Any help much appreciated....

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Violetroselily · 18/10/2019 19:28

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Violetroselily · 18/10/2019 19:38

Gah...have asked MN to delete the duplicate threads

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WeeDangerousSpike · 18/10/2019 19:49

Love a @pigletjohn thread Grin

Just in case it's useful, and while we are waiting, my immersion heater has two switches like that (but no timer) one is for e7 off peak, the other is for on peak. So I have the off peak switched on all the time and it only cuts in when the off peak is happening. The other I can switch on if I use all the water that's heated up overnight and need some more, but that never happens.

WeeDangerousSpike · 18/10/2019 19:53

Oh, and it has a thermostat, so only uses electricity overnight till it has heated up then it cuts out. So it's not using electric all night.

I would guess (complete guess!) that the timer is on your on peak supply, so you can set it to heat at a certain time on peak - for instance if you habitually use all the tank in the morning then always need more in the evening.

PigletJohn · 18/10/2019 20:11

Your cylinder has two immersion elements. The lower one is (should be) wired to your off-peak "economy 7" supply. The meter will have a timer in it to charge you cheap rate during those overnight hours, and quite likely will turn on the off-peak circuits (usually including storage heaters) only during those hours. If this is the case, leave the lower element turned on all the time. This will fully heat the cylinder overnight, and as soon as it reaches the preset temperature (might be in the region of 60C which is pretty hot) the thermostat will turn off the power so it uses no more electricity until the next night.

If the meter does not have a timeswitch, you can set your own to come on just after the off-peak period starts, and go off just before it ends. This is also a good time to use high-power appliances such as tumble drier, and to a much lesser extent, dishwasher and washing machine. You are advised not to use the tumbledrier when you are going to bed, in case it catches fire. This is rare, but not unknown.

The upper cylinder is (should be) off your normal full-price daytime electricity, and you should leave it turned off unless you have so many hot baths in a day that you use up all your stored water. In which case you can turn it on for a limited period. It will warm the water at about one litre per minute, so a bath would take about an hour and a half. Turn it off as soon as your needs are satisfied and wait for the cheap rate to top it up overnight.

Your switches might have red LEDs to show when current is available, but if not, you can tell when am immersion is using electricity, because if you listen intently, there is a slight "siinging" like a kettle. Or you can go and look at your electricity meter. It will flash must faster when you turn the immersion on.

If you post photos of your consumer unit(s) with the flaop open so I can read the labels, and of the meter(s), and any boxes around or connected to them, and the thick connecting cables, I can probably work out how yours operates.

Depending on age, you might have a "Teleswitch" (radio controlled timer) or a sort of electric clock with a visible dial. You can't (mustn't) touch the works or adjust them.

The exact time your off-peal starts varies frok house to house. This is deliberate to prevent twenty million houses all starting to draw high current at the same instant. But if you note the start and end time, yours will not vary by more than a minute in future unless something has gone wrong.

If you have a Smart Meter, the electricity fairies might turn it on and off as they see fit. This is probably not happening yet.

Violetroselily · 18/10/2019 20:25

Thank you, that's helpful. Will be back tomorrow with a photo of the consumer unit. Unfortunately dont have access to the meter yet as it's in a communal cupboard to which I dont have a key yet but I am fairly certain it is economy 7.

So do I want to turn the top switch to the off position? The timer is currently set to the timer on position but none of the pins are pointing out, so does that mean it wont be timed to come on at all?

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PigletJohn · 18/10/2019 20:49

the way it's been wired, if you turn the switch off, the timer will stop.

that's not very clever.

You could have it changed for a timed switch, unless you expect to need the timer to turn it on every day and you can't be bothered to turn it on manually

Booster switch

I consider this to be a very good one. Others are available.

It doesn't include a fuse, but because of the way immersion heater circuits are (should be) wired, you don't need one.

PigletJohn · 18/10/2019 21:04

I think your timeswitch is one of [[https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/4588390-24-hour-analogue-immersion-heater-timer these]

I can't see a user guide. Often there is a moulded instruction such as "Out=Off, In=On" but if not (when you've puzzled it out) you could write the instruction on a durable label.

Violetroselily · 18/10/2019 21:20

I'm bit confused now. So how do I keep the upper cylinder off, unless I want to use it?

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PigletJohn · 18/10/2019 22:02

the timeswitch (assuming that it is connected to the upper element) can have all its tappets turned to the "off" position. I think there might be a button or lever that clicks to an on/off position.

"0" means "off"
and
"1" means "on"

Violetroselily · 18/10/2019 22:28

Ah ok so in the bit that I've circled, I can either leave the little switch in the timer position with the tappets off, or move it down to the 0?

The timer and the main switch that its next to are connected to the cable going into the grey box that I've circled on the cylinder

Thank you for your help and for explaining it all

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Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 09:21

Consumer unit...

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PigletJohn · 19/10/2019 10:07

Well that's odd.

4 and 5 on the left both look like immersion heater circuits, presumably one for the upper and one for the lower element. But they both come off the same busbar so there is no timer control to turn the lower one off during the day.

On the right I can see circuits for storage heaters, again no time control.

Is it a rented flat?

The CU is Crabtree and so are some of the devices, but there are also some Wylex ones. This is not correct. It may be relevant that Wylex are a bit cheaper.

Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 11:17

No I've just bought it. The consumer unit was replaced a couple of months ago after the electrical survey found it was dangerous.

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Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 11:23

I'm pretty sure the heaters arnt actually storage heaters - just standard electric heating units.

So done think the timer by the megaflo isnt actually timing anything?

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Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 11:30

Also I got the wires from the switches the wrong way round...the one from the switch with the clock timer goes into the bottom grey box on the megaflo and the switch on it's own goes into the top grey box

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PigletJohn · 19/10/2019 12:35

It will be interesting to look at the meter.

Photograph your heaters please, especially their control panels. It is not normal to wire ordinary convectors like that.

Have you got a confirmation of the tariff of your electricity supply contract?

Are you usually at home during the day?

Were you given a copy if the electrical installation certificate for the CU? Are you sure it was a new one installed after 1 January 2016? Is it plastic or metal?

Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 13:04

The vendor had it changed about 3 months ago after it failed the electrical survey - it definitely is a new one as it's different to the one that was there when I first viewed the flat. So I dont have an installation certificate, no. The electrician who installed it is the same one that did the electrical survey and condemned the old one. How do I know if its plastic or metal?

Not sure of tariff yet as havent set up account. I'm not at home during the day, no.

Photo of a heater attached

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PigletJohn · 19/10/2019 13:21

Tap it with your fingernail or touch it with a magnet.

The picture isn't very clear.

Top left of the casing, does it say "Crabtree" in green plus another word? What?

Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 13:22

Its metal, top left says Crabtree Loadster

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PigletJohn · 19/10/2019 13:32

Thanks, metal and Loadstar are OK but the installation is not correct

If the previous owner paid, you probably have no claim against them but look at any documentation you have to see what professional body he is in.

I think the heaters might be storage but I don't recognise them. Is there a makers name? As you are out all day, storage heaters are not very suitable.

PigletJohn · 19/10/2019 13:41

BTW I suggest you set the immersion timer to run midnight to 7am.

If you are on a dual-rate tariff this will be cheaper than running it daytime.

If you are not, it will cost no more.

PigletJohn · 19/10/2019 13:45

If you are in an all-electric flat, I don't know what the other pipes are for at the side of the Megaflo. Are they hot?

Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 13:51

Tricky to see what this label says, manufacturer looks like NF Electricite?

What's the impact of the installation being wrong? Should I be concerned re safety?

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Violetroselily · 19/10/2019 13:56

No none of them are hot. Theres one big one that is straight from floor to ceiling with no connection to anything. The the others are all in some way connected to the megaflo.

Is it worth me getting someone out to service it and explain to me how it's set up?

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