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"Let to buy" mortgage

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Grace212 · 13/06/2019 09:50

hi all
I thought this might be a better place to post than Money Matters but not sure.

I am thinking to let out my London flat and move to Essex to be closer to my mother (who was widowed last year and isn't in good health).

I would need a new job so the mortgage on the new flat would be entirely funded by the rental income on the London flat. I'm on a contract at the moment and can show a good credit record.

I would need to take quite a hit on Stamp Duty but I gather I'd get that back if the other property was sold within 2 years, which would be my plan.

Does anyone know of any good brokers who I could contact who do this type of mortgage, while searching I've only come across L and C.

Also, does anyone know what the norm is in terms of how risky they see it to be? I know I can get a mortgage offer in principle but I have a horrible feeling that it could get closer to the finish line and then be refused?

thanks for any advice. It is just a mortgage on the Essex property that I'd be running - the mortgage on my London flat has been paid off by dad's passing.

thanks.

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LondonMischief · 13/06/2019 10:02

Would you need a mortgage for the Essex property if you got a mortgage on the London flat?
You are at an advantage that the London flat is mortgage free as you may be able to claim loan interest relief on the entire value of of the London flat, not just the to the value of the mortgage you take on it, if you have other borrowings or a taking a small mortgage on the Essex property.
It will be tough to get a residential mortgage without a job, so complete the purchase while you have one.

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Grace212 · 13/06/2019 10:19

sorry I'll start again

thank you for the reply

I'm not clear how it would help to get a mortgage on the current flat?

I'm not getting a job for while, my contract ends soon and I will see how mum is after I move. If I can do some work on top of caring, then I will, but I'm not expecting it. the rental on the London flat would be funding the mortgage and all other costs in Essex.

I would be looking to get an interest only mortgage and pay it off when the London flat is sold.

thanks.

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chopc · 13/06/2019 10:28

Isn't it most sensible to move in with your mum?

I wouldn't sell the London flat - it would be a good investment. Rent somewhere in Essex if you need separate accommodation from your mum. When you factor in stamp duty, is it worth buying a place in Essex for a few years?

Grace212 · 13/06/2019 10:33

no, I can't move in with mum, that would be horrific. I spent most of my time there after dad died and looking back, I'm surprised I didn't finish myself off - not a joke and I have depression and anxiety as it is, medicated for year.

the London flat is already a good investment - I bought it years ago.

I won't rent, I could be living in the area for years for mum.

The stamp duty gets returned I gather - or at least returned in as much as it wouldn't count as a second home - if I sell the London flat in a couple of years, which is the plan.

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Grace212 · 13/06/2019 10:34

*medicated for years that should say - not one year! Grin

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Lightsabre · 13/06/2019 10:38

Think hard about your legal obligations as a landlord, even if their is a managing agent. If anything goes wrong, the buck stops with you and it can be a hassle.
Not sure the banks would let you release equity without a permanent job currently? Brokers can work wonders (we used Elson Consultancy in Wallington, Surrey).. maybe give them a call.

Grace212 · 13/06/2019 10:40

Lightsabre - I would absolutely take my obligations seriously. When I was renting I was treated very well and would want to do the same.

I'm confused why you mentioned releasing equity, I'm not looking to do that?

I will look up that broker, thank you.

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LondonMischief · 13/06/2019 10:49

Typically you would release equity in the mortgage free London property ( lower payments as interest only mortgages are the norm with BTL mortgages - though it is wise to pay off capital as you can if you intend to keep it long term), and use the cash to purchase in Essex without a mortgage ( and no need to meet stricter criteria of a residential mortgage).

Grace212 · 13/06/2019 11:04

London so is that the lenders' preferred way of doing it? Presumably because they can make more money out of it?

it seems much more straightforward to say

I have £x to put down as deposit

£y to put in as a mortgage payment (I have done the maths re living expenses etc etc)

what can you lend me?

Glad I asked here before talking to a lender! In a way, I would have thought rental income should be considered as more secure than job income!

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LondonMischief · 13/06/2019 11:56

Most lenders won’t consider rental income as income to support a residential mortgage. They usually count it only covering the mortgage commitment on the let property so that the mortgage on the let property doesn’t affect your affordability for the residential mortgage.

Grace212 · 13/06/2019 12:43

London thank you.

seems a bit mad in a way. I could rent my my mortgage free flat out for quite a lot of money, but can't use that income to buy.

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chopc · 13/06/2019 13:35

@Grace212 well you would get back 3% of the stamp duty. Are you saying your Essex pad will be below the threashhold?

Grace212 · 13/06/2019 13:41

chopc

no, it would be above the threshold. But in the immediate term, it looks like I'd have to pay stamp duty as a second home, but if I sold my current home within 2 years, I would be refunded as if I'd bought a first home.

I have spoken to one advisor and am awaiting call backs, but it does seem to be the answer is no, it can't be done. I could get another job that I have no intention of keeping but I suppose the lenders will expect me to be in that for at least 6 months before attempting this again.

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HigaDequasLuoff · 15/06/2019 06:37

I don't understand why you wouldn't just sell the London property outright and use the funds to purchase something appropriate in essex.

Hanging on to the London place only to sell it within 2 years makes no sense. You will have to spend a lot more getting it ready to rent out than you would getting it ready to sell. You would have no guarantee that you'll be able to meet the 2 year deadline for the stamp duty refund. A property with a sitting tenant is very hard to sell. Being a landlord is a tough game and not one to dabble in for 2 years. You will almost certainly lose money compared to keeping it simple and just selling.

KnobJockey · 15/06/2019 07:48

@Grace212
Having been in a similar situation, although with a job, we found that brokers struggled to recommend products for us, and we ended up going about things a different way.

The main issue was that without renting the property out first, it has no rental history. You have no proof of how it would let/ cover costs. So you have no proof of that as your income either. Second issue is that it thoroughly restricts the market for mortgages if you are trying to release equity on a property that you are living in for anything other than home improvements.

We ended up moving into rented for a year, and renting our property out (we got a consent to let from my mortgage provider, which you wouldn't need). It's a year where in effect your rent is offset, as mortgage would be £0, income would be £xx in rent ,(less tax), rent payable would, I assume, be lower than that income received.

When you have moved out, the options are:

That you could set up a ltd co property business, with you as the owner, and 'sell' the property to the business. You personally wouldn't actually be receiving the money from the sale there and then, but the company would owe you xx in directors loans. You can then receive an income every year of whatever you choose, which of course is taxable, and use that as your income for a new mortgage on a new property personally. You could either just take a regular wage each year, or the company could remortgage the property to repay your directors loans, and buy a property from that.
Stamp duty would be payable on the old property at the point of transfer of equity, but you would be free to buy again personally without incurring more stamp duty. Downsides are that if this was to be your only income, lenders would probably want to see a good couple of years of your accounts/ salary before lending, accounts would need to be filed yearly, and even if you sold this property, stamp duty wouldn't be repayable. Positives are that there is a clear separation between you and the property, and income generated would be classed as profitable to your business. Better if you plan more BTL in the future.

Second option, again move out and rent, but keep hold of the property personally. Rent it out for a year, register as self employed and make sure you file a self assessment showing the profit (again, taxable as income). You can spend as much or little as you wish of this income, is it yours. When you have this, approach brokers about remortgaging it on a BTL mortgage and releasing equity. You can then release equity up to 75% of the property's value, on either a repayment or interest only repayments, for your own use, as long as the rent covers 145% of the mortgage costs, and use this to buy your own home outright. Speak to a solicitor, but there may be a possibility that you won't have to pay the higher rate of stamp duty when buying your new one, as you haven't lived there for a year so it wouldn't be your main residence any longer. Negatives are: no seperation from the business to you, depending on how much income is brought in you may end up on a higher tax rate, income tax can often work out better through a limited co than self assessment because of the rules of what you can charge as a cost. Benefits are that all profit is yours to do as you see fit, stamp duty could be lower, can go for new mortgage in 1 year rather than 2-3.

We went for option 2, although we have only released enough for a deposit on a new property.
Owned house on a mortgage, moved into rented (new area), and got consent to let. Rented out for just over a year.
Remortgaged original house on a BTL mortgage, released equity, was complete within a month and money in the bank, now on interest only. Was able to prove rental income.
Currently using that money as a deposit for joint house with DP, solicitor thinks that we are eligible for lower rate stamp duty as no longer main residence.

Please note that all of this above has been purely from my own research, and not proper advice! But I found that lots of brokers were fine if residential purchase, fine if BTL purchase, but struggled to advise on mixtures of the two and how to do it. It needs imagination!

But if you think you want to sell definitely within a year or 2, then save yourself the hassle and just sell. It's REALLY not worth the hassle of being a landlord, sorting out self assessments and remortgaging for the sake of a year.

Grace212 · 15/06/2019 10:53

Thanks for the advice, I have spoken to brokers and it seems a total no no

I might be stupid but one of the reasons I thought of it was I thought it was a chance to fund an investment. Posters have mentioned costs of getting the property ready to rent, that doesn’t seem to cost much at all.

Also the feeling I had was that when I’ve got a property that can be rented for quite a lot, it seems like it makes good sense to try and make that money.

The stamp duty thing isn’t essential, I suppose I could rent my current property out for years and years.

It sounds like my ideas of making money are way off though so I have ditched the idea, but it’s food for thought for the future. Thank you all.

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