Relocating the kitchen in a flat - is it possible?

[Mosaic123]

We are about to downsize to this 3rd floor flat which has concrete floors. I would love to make the Master Bedroom, the one next to the Living Room, into a kitchen diner. The original kitchen would become a bedroom.

If the wall between the current Master Bedroom is not structural I would like to take some of it down and install doors between that (now transformed into a kitchen) and the Living Room making a huge room for parties.

I realise that the plumbing is on the wrong side of the flat for this. Someone told me that there are special pumps that can be installed to propel waste water from it's (new) location to a waste pipe.

2nd choice would be to make Bedroom 2 into the kitchen. I imagine this would be easier as it's next to the bathroom.

Does anyone have any thoughts? Knowledge of reliability of such pumps? I found this one online I wonder if it's the right kind of thing.

www.pumptechnology.co.uk/domestic-waste-water-pump-drainmaster/

I am not worried about the cost if it makes the flat amazing.

Thank you for your help.

Huge room for parties sounds lovely but how often would you be having them?

Or is it you just want a kitchen you can eat in?
If the latter, maybe extend the kitchen into the cloakroom and part of the hall.
You could maybe steal a slice off the left end of living room to create new cloakroom.

To relocate the kitchen you might have to get permission from freeholder who might not want plumbing messed about with.

Thank you. I hadn't thought of using the hall. It's share of freehold so we 'just' have to get agreement of the management committee.

Flats are usually built with bedrooms above bedrooms, living rooms above living rooms, kitchens above kitchens etc..... in order to prevent noise disturbance. (This can be worked around with a very high level of noise insulation in some properties, but usually won't work for a converted property as it needs to be purpose built in).

You want a huge room for parties, but your neighbour above or below may want to sleep.

If you're downsizing from a house, don't underestimate the amount of noise that travels in flats even with concrete floors.

I agree with the previous poster. A party room above a bedroom would be horrendous for your downstairs neighbors. I live in an apartment block with noise insulation between the floors, but I can still hear the upstairs people just walking around in the evenings. If they had a party room above my bedroom I'd be putting in a very strong complaint ! I think you'll find that your management committee will find this "a big no".

You are probably right. We are not really party people. I'm talking once a year!

My husband suggested improvements to our house based on the Christmas party we throw once every three years.
I suggested the money would be better spent on how we live in the house the other 2 years, 364 days.

Is there really no door into living room, just an arch?
What about the second opening down the bedroom end?

@Mosaic123 when I was on the management committee of a share of freehold block, we frequently spoke to prospective buyers about possible works. We'd have been v skeptical re your plans (for noise reasons and plumbing reasons- people do all sorts of horrific things to plumbing, causing leaks to the long suffering people below), but would probably have been able to suggest ways you'd be able to mitigate the problems and get the results you want. You could ask to talk to someone if it's a dealbreaker.

We are buying it anyway as it's in the perfect location but I'm hopeful we can do something to make a bigger kitchen. I am planning to ask all the residents round for Sunday afternoon tea very soon after we move in to start off on the right foot!

Breakfast, yes two openings into the main room but no actual doors, nor on the kitchen. I thought we'd see how we went without them but will probably put some in eventually.

If it's a purpose built flat rather than a conversion, most of the flats will have identical layouts.
You could check Council planning to see if anyone has reconfigured their layout. Moving kitchen would require Building control checks.

You could possibly keep the cloakroom but squeeze it into a smaller space with door opening outwards.
Open the kitchen into the hall AND the corridor.
Widen doorways into living room but install double doors that can fold right back so that the rooms can either flow or be shut off

Yes it's purpose built, in the 1960s. Good idea about seeing what others have done. I will look online at the Council's website.