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Why is my toilet so slow draining?

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VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 13:31

I’ve tried a plunger and many buckets of hot water.
It doesn’t seem to be blocked but when I flush, the water fills the bowl before draining away.
It’s my downstairs loo so not used that often. It seems to have a funny fitting with the waste pipe going through the floor at a right angle.

Nothing has gone down there other than human waste and toilet paper.

Any ideas what I can do next?

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VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 14:31

Anyone? @pigletjohn?

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PigletJohn · 01/12/2018 14:46

photos of the pipework might help. Especially outside.

Have a look outside. What gullies, manhole covers and pipes can you see? Where does the kitchen sink drain go?

Have you got a spade?

How old is the house? Detached? Terraced?

have you had any extensions added, or has your neighbour?

VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 15:27

It's an odd one. The drains go uphill!
The toilet is on the ground floor but we are on a slope so it's above ground level and there is a storage room underneath, accessed from outside. The pipe work seems to drop through the ceiling of the storage room.

All the pipes and drainage are under concrete between us and next door. None of it goes anywhere near the garden.

The sink drains outside into a usual open drain thingy.

It is a bit usual as well as the washing machine also drains into the waste bit of the toilet, both are in the utility room.

The house is 1940s and I think the toilet has always been there.

Something else odd that happens is that when we have really heavy rain the toilet kind of backs up, the water level starts rising. Also, some times the water level drops for no real reason.

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VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 15:28

Sorry, regular 1940s bay fronted semi.

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PigletJohn · 01/12/2018 16:17

"when we have really heavy rain the toilet kind of backs up, the water level starts rising. "

Bad news.

You probably have a combined rain and foul water drainage system at that house, and there is likely an underground blockage or collapse.

Call the company that sends your water bills (or drainage, if different) and tell them what you just said.

If you had some manhole covers you could pry them up with a spade and see which is full. From a semi, the drains at the back of the house often run to the road at the side, in the gap with the adjacent building. Sometimes there is an entire shared run behind a dozen or so houses.

If you are in England and your drains and your neighbour's drain are connected together, then the part after the join, which is shared, is the responsibility of the water company. Any part which carries the waste from only one house is the responsibility of the homeowner.

IME the water co men are often helpful and cheery, and if you give yours a mug of tea and a doughnut, he will sit on the edge of the manhole with sewage flowing over his boots while he eats it and tells you his amusing tales of human waste. They will often poke obstructions free even if they are not shared drains. But if a privately owned drain needs digging up and relating, that's down to the homeowner.

BTW you mention a yard gulley for the sink. I expect this is dark brown glazed earthenware. In pre-1945 house it is pretty sure to be cracked and leaking. This will display by the ground or concrete around it being cracked or sunken, and mended or hollow underneath. A well-recommended small local builder can dig it our and renew. Plumbers are weedy little fellows with petal soft hands and some of them don't like digging drains.

VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 17:33

Thank you so much for that in depth reply there.
Yes I think it goes up to the street. There are two man hole covers in the shared alley between us and next door one towards the road and one at the back. Both houses have bathrooms at the front and kitchens and a toilet at the back so I’m guessing one is for the bathroom and one for the kitchen.

I’ve had the one for the kitchen up before because it was blocked when we moved in.

Here is the problem though. Both manhole covers are bang in the middle of the alleyway so I’m guessing we share them with next door. Lovely people next door, we get on well. However, we own our house and they are council tenants. We own half the alleyway and I have no idea what that means to the drainage system.

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PigletJohn · 01/12/2018 17:49

if it's a shared drain for two houses or more, and you're in England, the water co will deal with it.

have a look at "Sewers and drains" towards the bottom of the page, includes colour coded drawing

www.ofwat.gov.uk/nonhouseholds/supply-and-standards/responsibility-supply-pipes/

PigletJohn · 01/12/2018 17:50

ooops, that was the business page. Where's the residential one?

VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 17:51

I’m in England.
Would you advise having a look first or just give the water company a bell directly.

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PigletJohn · 01/12/2018 17:53

here it is

www.ofwat.gov.uk/households/supply-and-standards/supply-pipes/

PigletJohn · 01/12/2018 18:02

call them

if it was me I'd open the lids and have a look though.

If you have one or more full chambers, and one or more empty, the blockage is in the pipe between the empty and the full.

VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 19:32

I might have a look tomorrow then.

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VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 19:32

Thank you so much for your help, John.

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EngTech · 01/12/2018 19:36

Could also be tree, branch routes in the pipe causing a blockage.

Only way to be sure is a CCTV survey actually see the problem

Water company will be able to advise you

Sounds like a blockage though

VisitorsEntrance · 01/12/2018 19:44

Oh. I do have loads of trees.
However I don’t think the trees could get that far as it’s quite a distance between the pipes and trees.

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VisitorsEntrance · 02/12/2018 09:58

Just lifted the man hole.

Oh lord that was full to the top with crap.

One problem though is that I’m not sure if it is shared with next door. There are 4 man holes in the alley so I guess two are ours and two are next door.

Now on hold for the water board.

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VisitorsEntrance · 02/12/2018 10:08

The water board will have a chap out within 24 hours. Sadly I won’t be in to furnish him with a cup of tea and a donut.

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