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Japanese knotweed

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happychange · 03/11/2018 15:40

Looked at a house today which 2 years ago had a Japanese knotweed problem. Apparently now it's all been professionally treated and has a 10 year warranty against it coming back etc

Any ideas on this? Would I be able to get a mortgage?

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PurpleFlowersInMyHair · 03/11/2018 16:30

Personally I wouldn’t touch it or would be asking for a big discount if I really loved it

happychange · 03/11/2018 22:02

Hmmm yes that's probably a good point

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Japanesejazz · 03/11/2018 22:08

That would be entirely up to your mortgage lender who I can assure you would make sure that an appropriate treatment plan was in place. Japanese knotweed is now very common in the south east of England

happychange · 04/11/2018 06:54

Yes we will ask our mortgage provider on Monday..but would this affect our resale potential in the future? It's meant to be our forever home so I don't mind it too much but you never know what life brings

At what point can I stop declaring that we have knotweed? Surely after 10 years of treating we wouldn't need to declare anymore ?

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TheDodgyDunnyOfDoom · 04/11/2018 07:00

You can kill it by cutting it and putting salt and vinegar down the stems.

wowfudge · 04/11/2018 08:00

Apparently you can cook and eat it too - but it's the mortgage lender's attitude to it which is key.

amserdeffro · 04/11/2018 08:05

We looked into buying a house with Japanese Knotweed a couple of years ago. These were our mortgage providers pretty extensive requirements:

Management plan

1 Once Japanese Knotweed has been identified, and an appropriately
qualified and/
or experienced person has further investigated the problem and provided a
report, a Japanese
Knotweed management plan should be established.
This management plan can provide the necessary reassurance to both lenders
and buyers that a
Japanese Knotweed problem is being properly managed.

2 Although the methods of tackling Japanese Knotweed will depend on the
commercial choices
and preferences of the contractor, the management plan should be based on
that included in the Code
of Practice published by the Environment Agency and should thus be
consistent across the industry.
As a minimum, a management plan should include the following features:

• A description of the property with an accurate record of the Japanese
Knotweed infestation.
• A scaled plan with dimensions and supporting photographs would be
particularly useful.
• The full details of the contracting organisation and a description of the
methods to be used
to eradicate Japanese Knotweed.
• A treatment schedule that is updated as treatments are carried out.
• A completion certificate that confirms the treatment is complete and that
the Japanese
Knotweed at the property has been remediated.

3 Valuers and surveyors should take account of this range of information
when deciding whether the
evidence of previous treatment regimes is adequate.

4 To meet lender requirements, other features could provide additional
reassurance, as detailed
below.
• The current owner must pay all costs associated with the management plan
‘up-front’, so that the treatment programme can be completed without
relying on financial
support from subsequent owners.
• The management plan should be transferable to any subsequent owners.

• The management plan should cover the whole of the property and not just
those
affected parts identified by the original valuer or surveyor.
• An appropriate warranty or guarantee that will ensure that the treatment
programme will be
completed in the event of insolvency of the original treatment
organisation.

5 Important note: It is impractical to guarantee that Japanese Knotweed
will not return following
the completion of a treatment programme.
Consequently, the mandatory insurance should be restricted to ensuring that
the treatment is
completed.

To summarise, with reference to the RICS guidelines, a property where
Japanese Knotweed (JK) is present but is not causing damage should be an
acceptable security subject to a Japanese Knotweed management plan being
put in place that is paid for in full, up front.

The plan will need to be insurance backed (simply to ensure that the plan
is completed, you cannot guarantee that JK will not return).

The plan and insurance must be transferable to other owners during the plan
period.

The firm undertaking the eradication work must be a member of a recognised
trade body such as the Property Care Association.

Putting a plan in place should be a condition of the mortgage advance.

All JK cases will need to be passed to the bank’s underwriters for
consideration.

The above information and guidelines are subject to change and are
currently for indication purposes only.

All purchase applications are subject to valuation and underwriter
consideration.

happychange · 04/11/2018 08:37

Thanks @amserdeffro that's very helpful. I will ask the EA to provide details of the plan per the below

Did you buy the property in the end?

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Motherof3Dragons · 04/11/2018 09:21

Of course, mortgage lenders have an issue with everything that would effect the building or resale value.
But as long as the plants aren’t close to the property, affecting the structure and I was not reliant on mortgage lending - Japanese Knotweed wouldn’t scare me off.
You could get experts to cut it, expose of it on special landfill sites or burn it and work out a treatment plan, but if you don’t have the funds for all of this, I‘d just hire a few goats (they love to eat the plant and wouldn’t spread digested seeds) and treat the roots afterwards. The Japanese use the plant for cooking and it also has a few herbal remedy uses. If it isn’t growing near buildings and in an uncontrolled manner, it isn’t quite the nightmare that a good few ppl say it is.

happychange · 04/11/2018 11:14

DS would LOVE it if we hired goats Grin

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johnd2 · 04/11/2018 11:34

I wouldn't go cutting it Willy nilly as it's controlled waste, you would have to burn it after that. But it's true that without mortgage company involvement you don't need to bring in the army for it, but it is important to get rid of

TheDodgyDunnyOfDoom · 04/11/2018 12:17

Yes there is strict legislation about the parts you cut off it OP so don't fall foul of it. I had a small area that took root next to our house. I chopped the top out of it and put the chopped bits in a black plastic bag tied up and left it in the sun for two weeeks and then burned it on a bonfire. I put a solution of salt and vinegar down the stems and the whole lot died off in a fortnight. I suspect the very expensive stuff the professionals use is actually salt and vinegar Grin

amserdeffro · 04/11/2018 15:19

@happychange no, we didn't, but because a cash buyer came forwards while we were still procrastinating about the knotweed.

L1yr · 05/11/2018 09:01

I'd buy the house.

Make sure the knotweed company are PCA registered. But I'm sure they are.

It's easy to kill will glyphosate and I imagine 95% + is dead by the end of year two.

happychange · 06/11/2018 18:00

So if we buy this house and live in it for 10 years say, and no knotweed in the 10 years - would we still have to declare when we sell? Would that then affect the value of the house when I try to resell?

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L1yr · 06/11/2018 18:21

Yes you'll have to declare it.

I seriously doubt it'll effect the value in ten years time if eradicated by a PCA contractor.

johnd2 · 06/11/2018 19:35

I didn't think you had to declare knotweed at all, it's down to the buyer to satisfy themselves about the property.
If they ask a direct question about it eg on the enquiries form, you're not allowed to lie, but even then you don't have to say anything.

happychange · 06/11/2018 19:50

@johnd2 the rules changed a few years ago and there is now a mandatory question that you have to declare it.. if you lie about it and it can be proven that you knew about it, the buyer can seek damages against you

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johnd2 · 06/11/2018 19:57

I never said lie, in fact i specifically said you're not allowed to lie.
As for mandatory question, it's down to the buyers, if you don't fill it in, the buyers can either not buy the house or buy it, i don't see who is going to enforce it as a mandatory question. Anyone who relies on answers from the seller would need to get their head checked anyway, as if they didn't know something they aren't going to tell you!

simplepimple · 06/11/2018 20:11

I thought things had moved on a lot from Japanese Knotweed still being considered the nuisance it was because there is a lot more information about the success of treatment and that actually it isn't as harmful as first thought.

Maybe you'll get a bargain op because people still think of it preventing potential mortgages.

L1yr · 07/11/2018 12:01

You'll have to answer about knotweed. However, people tend to simply say "don't know" as this'll pass the onus onto the surveyor.

I'd happily but a house with knotweed and have done twice. I'd think twice if the knotweed was on neighbouring land and within 7m of the house.

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