Log burners

[Vanillabloom]

Can anyone give me any advice how much a 5k would be to install? I’ve seen some on eBay but I know it’s the installation which is the most expensive. Any experiences ?

You will of course be wasting your money as it is almost certain that wood burning will be banned within 5 years time as there is no way governments can meet air pollution targets by allowing wood burning

Tut tut. You couldn't even be arsed reading the studies you posted could you?

Because if you had you wouldn't have said they would be banned in five years. Neither study recommends that. They either say ban the sale of wet wood or non smokeless coal, one looks for retro fitted devices for older devices to limit output, and they both state the data is uncertain and call for more data to understand it better as it's too uncertain to comment at th moment due to all the variables ie how many old stoves, when they are being replaced with newer modes,type of fuel burned etc,

Neither wish stoves to be banned, not even slightly.

At least read what you post. Or seek advice if you don't understand it. But don't post it and then spout nonsense, it just makes you look idiotic.

Oh and uou don't need to lock youtself in thr house six months a year.

@Bluntness100

I am well aware of what both articles say. There is no specific quotation or reference to either article in the sentence you highlighted, that is your own interpretation for your own means.

5 years time...

Pleasedonotburnwood...thank you for those links.

I too am negatively affected by my neighbours wood burning stove. Even with all doors and windows closed my breathing is affected. I now dread this time of year...am considering moving...but the problem is that the bloody things are so trendy at the moment that it's difficult to avoid.

😡 people banging on about global warming/carbon footprint/diesel cars etc etc then they smugly firing up their woodburners without any thought for the consequences of their actions.

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I’m another person not so chuffed that these wood burning stoves have got so popular. We live in a very naice area where I think lots of houses have them. The air quality has definitely declined and I’m personally affected as my asthma has got very bad in past few years. I think the rise in popularity of deisel a few years ago is another factor.

As you can see, those affected by wood burning are out there and becoming more willing to speak up. The bottom line is for every one new installation, several disgruntled neighbours are created and this will be a major factor in determining their future.

Another factor will be the start of no burn days across the globe.

www.deseretnews.com/article/900039942/winter-wood-burning-restrictions-now-in-effect-in-utah.html

The above instance is a long way away, but it marks the start of something very important. For the benefit of @bluntness100 I will qualify what I am about to say in that it is not contained in any article I have posted, I do hope this is acceptable for you.

As no burn days increase and become more commonplace, and more importantly are enforced, more tangible data will be gathered and collated from real life scenarios as to the effect of wood burning. It's absence will provide far more real life evidence than it's presence ironically. I would be amazed if this data does not back up the existing scientific and medical data on wood burning at the very least.

Here is article another from the British Medical Journal looking at it from a medical viewpoint. This is an older article but quite brief and to the point.

www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2757/rr-1

DEFRA still allow you to burn wood for whatever reason, but if you are aware of all this evidence and continue to do so then that probably says more about you than any opinions you may have of me.

Also check out this one from the World Health Organisation on the effects of Particulate Matter on the respiratory system which is what neighbours of wood burning are having forced upon them.

www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/189051/Health-effects-of-particulate-matter-final-Eng.pdf

Ultimately another nail in the coffin for wood burning is evidenced right here on this thread, the utter disregard and willingness to continue burning wood despite some solid evidence showing how damaging it is.

One thing I will repent on is saying I am a prisoner in my own home, although it really does feel like it sometimes when I am unable to open my windows just to get some fresh air into the house due to the smell of wood smoke, dry my washing outside because it ends up smelling of wood smoke etc. There are so many more anti-social elements to wood burning, but I really am boring myself now so am going to leave it there.

You've been boring the rest of us for days! I love the smell of wood smoke reminds me of my childhood. You take care now

I too love the smell of wood smoke...a faint whiff of it on the cold air...lovely.

However a thick pall that hangs around continuously...enveloping the house, seeping in though all windows and doors are shut...not so lovely.

The breathlessness and discomfort. Where even the slightest exertion is difficult because your lungs are struggling to cope with the irritation and inflammation. Having to depend on ever more inhalers and medications. And the worry that they may not be enough...this time.

Just...because my neighbour decided to install a wood burning stove.😟

We are in Maine we have cold winters. If the state told us not to burn wood, I am not sure how we would stay warm so I feel sorry for Utah.

We live quite rurally and they're very common here.

We paid about £800 for the burner (charnmouth) and about £1300 for installation including chimney lining. Worth every penny. We used the open fire a lot but this is far more efficient.

I think for rural areas wood burners are fine but for built up urban areas they are not great- it’s ok if a few houses have them, but not when many houses on each street do

I don’t think they’re really necessary if you live in a city in the south of England with a mild climate. Many decades ago the U.K. had a problem with smoke from fires causing pollution and laws were brought in. With the rise in popularity of wood burners I can imagine the same thing happening again.

I think about £2000 for installation.

I love ours. It doesn't create a pall and I can't imagine any neighbours are bothered.

Our wood is bone dry and well seasoned...we keep it running hot so the most emission-laden phases are less frequent
We run an electric car, cycle loads and rarely fly.
It's like anything isn't it? pick a vice, but mitigate them with your other life choices.

For those that are affected indoors, it is possible to get filter boxes and positive pressure fans to run cleaned air through the house. If you get an F8 or H13 filter that should strip out the pm2.5 and pm1 respectively. Pm2.5 and below have been proved to be very harmful and they travel into the blood stream and as a result to the brain etc. However you won't even notice you're breathing them in. The wood smoke also has larger particles which are noticed in your chest and throat.
I think for the sake of the argument and 250 quid, it's worth getting one. It doesn't help when you're outside, but you spend more time inside than out.

Here is a good one. Hadn't read this before but just reinforcing what sensible responsible parents already know.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/11/why-logs-twice-dirty-diesel-pollutionwatch

Hope you enjoy being nice and cozy in front of your stove knowing what you are doing to your own air. I don't think anybody would mind if you kept the emissions in your own home but you are making the air toxic for your neighbours also which should be a human rights issue.

Have jolly weekend

Now here's another interesting one, not least because the Danish are the ones that came up with the whole Hygge concept which has to take a large part of the blame for irresponsibly promoting the unnecessary burning of wood in people's homes. Even the Mayor of Copenhagen is considering a ban on wood burning in any property in which it is not necessary (which is most of them in the developed world)

"They are only for ‘hygge’ and that kind of ‘hygge’ is something we will have to wean ourselves off”. For the pedantic on here, this is a direct quote from the article, and from the Mayor of Copenhagen no less.

cphpost.dk/news/nature-news-in-brief-mayor-wants-to-rid-copenhagen-of-polluting-wood-burning-stoves.html

Enjoy making your air toxic on this cold evening...

Is this thread like a Danish lesson (I had to google hygge).

Gosh, it will quite scupper Gove's chances of being PM if he becomes known as the minister who banned home woodburners.

£1700
Incl liner and the stove and all the chimney breast tiling

Considering we live close to the motorway which DOES actually have thousands of lorries with idling engines on it for the 8 hours a day that seem to be “rush hour” these days, my neighbours using their log burner for a few hours a day makes naff all difference

'Burning wood will be banned in 5 years time'. What absolute rubbish!
Lots of businesses in the countryside have converted to pellet wood burners and most people out in the sticks have wood and coal fires!
What else can we do to heat the house if the electricity goes off?
Central heating doesn't work without power!

My dd has pretty mild asthma if we visit relatives who have wood burning stoves they can’t use them or she suffers an asthma attack.
I don’t know if the science behind the pollution claims is sound but I know they affect my dd far worse than busy roads (or anything else)

We have had a wood burner for 20 years and wouldn't be without it. We live rurally, aren't on mains gas and our wood is free, so having a wood burner saves us a lot of money on heating costs. Nearly everyone around here has one.

Having said that, I'm not sure that they're such a good idea in urban areas. There are 12 houses in our road and we're a quarter of a mile from any other houses so apart from an occasional whiff of woodsmoke you don't notice it outside at all. I can see, however, that in a built up residential area if half the houses had them it could easily become pretty unpleasant.

We had one fit 3 weeks ago, paid £495 for a new 12kw burner ( our room is huge) which is DEFRA approved then £500 for the liner and all the bits needed to fit it plus a new chimney pot as ours was cracked, then £600 to be fit by a HETAS fitter, but we didn't need any building work as already had the fireplace, tbh the bloke was only here 6 hours so think £600 was quite a lot.