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Neighbour's building work and damage to our property

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GrimSqueaker · 19/09/2018 12:32

We don't get on anyway - the 1am drunken garden party singalong under my bedroom window to that lyrical classic "oooh eee chirpy chirpy cheep cheep" finished off my one remaining drop of goodwill toward the guy.

Anyway, disregarding his non-existent singing skills... 1920s semis - fronts of all the houses are rendered and let's just say style has moved on from the "badly iced Christmas cake" look of old. Lots of houses have had theirs redone with the more modern less lumpy looking stuff - and we had ours done last year too. There's a guttering downpipe that is just before the border between the two houses and our guys took the render removal and replacement just to the downpipe as we didn't want to risk going a milimetre onto neighbour's side and pissing him off (he's a habitual miserable git).

Neighbour has obviously been pissed off at us having our house done and it looking neater than his (he's had the stupidity to have conversations to this effect out in the street with us having our windows open so we've heard every word), so he collars us in the street last weekend with a "having my render done in the next few weeks so that drainpipe is coming off so they can do it" (drainpipe is a shared downpipe but technically and very very clearly on our side of the boundaries and therefore attached to the front of our house).

No issues with him doing that if he wants to get it changed - but the usual issues with him announcing it's happening and not even asking... but the render work's been done this week - plaster company knocked on my door to check I was OK with them cutting a channel down to remove his old stuff and my only concern that I expressed to them at least 3 times was, "fine, but please make sure you don't damage my render doing it"... there's a chunk of ours come off and we've had a morning of huffing, puffing, that his stuff "isn't the same compound" before they've huffed and puffed that they'll "find some way to patch it in".

Haven't been out there to check they've done that yet (the line of 5 blokes drinking tea sat on the wall watching the one bloke who apparently isn't allowed to drink tea and has to do all the work) has been rather intimidating to be honest... legally - what rights do I have if they've left the front of my house looking like shit? I have photos from the day they pulled up and started work with their vans outside (wanted the contact details in case we had any problems so took a few on the sly) so have clear evidence of how the house did look on the day work commenced.

Hoping they'll do as their word and make good - but with our neighbour's past form I'm doubtful and he's a bit of a bully but on this one if he's physically damaged our house I am really prepared to dig heels in.

Also regarding him deciding he's removing the drainpipe. Legally that's attached to my property so I'd assume he's not allowed to just do that - but is the fact it's a shared downpipe negating that? (It's not faulty at all - just looks a bit old and battered like me really so that's not an argument he can use).

And yep he's a prick. The last choice of garden party singalong material finished my patience off completely (previous hits have included 2.30 am attempts to play God Save the Queen on a vuvuzela out there, and we shall not mention his garden topless darts habit...)

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redsummershoes · 19/09/2018 12:35

call your home insurance regarding the damage if the builder doesn't make good to a good standard.

wowfudge · 19/09/2018 12:40

I'll cut to the chase: you have to give permission for the downpipe to be removed if it's on your side of the boundary whether it's your guttering, his guttering or both lots of guttering that drain into it. Presumably then the render will cover the whole wall and the downpipe will be fixed back in place? Frankly your renderers took the easy way out by not dealing with it.

It's the guys working for your neighbour who are responsible for making good damage they've caused. Get their card/contact details before they finish the work.

Sounds like neither of you likes the other. It
Have you considered that he may deliberately have had his conversations in your earshot?

GrimSqueaker · 19/09/2018 13:06

That confirms my thinking about the downpipe thank you wowfudge

I don't think he personally dislikes us as such. I think he just dislikes having to take anyone into consideration. The history is a funny one, and one we know because we happened to rent three doors down the street before we bought the house. Basically our house had been empty for at least 3-4 years before we bought it (long story involving a guy who'd bought it for his daughter to live in but she'd decided she preferred London so he'd bought her a flat down there instead oh to be that well off and just left this standing while the market was as bad as it was), we bought it at the absolute bottom of the market but for the previous 3-4 years he'd had his house, and the other neighbours he gets on so well with they remove the garden fence for most of the summer and just share their garden and he'd not had to consider anyone here in terms of noise, parking, them making noise or needing access or anything and us moving in pissed on his chips basically.

We've put up with a lot in terms of garden noise till gone midnight every weekend for years from March - October and given into all his demands not to do DIY until 10am and the like to keep him sweet for years, kept the kids out of the garden till lunchtime at weekends so he can sleep off his hangover in peace and the like - but now the current batch of garden parties (like I say - every weekend Friday, Saturday and lower-key on Sundays) have broken my tolerance to its limit.

The conversation in the street was him, the neighbourhood busy body who nebs and backstabs everyone, and the painter and decorator over the road and I just don't think he thinks about any of his behaviour - he's just so used to having it HIS way and just doing it. He's pissed off at the moment because for the first time in 8 years DH asked him to can the singalong at midnight out in the garden with his parties (not even to stop the parties) - his face when we actually asserted ourselves gently and politely was a picture.

He's also managed to knacker our brand new fence by ramming so much crap down the side of his garden shed the new panels are starting to bow - but we've left that battle as part of his sense of consideration bypass. I'm fully prepared to dig my heels in about the front of the house until he at least learns he is going to ASK permission and ask politely (god it's like another 6 year old to deal with).

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GrimSqueaker · 19/09/2018 13:08

Home insurance is a good call - I've got the plasterer guys' details (I photographed the side of their van to make sure I had them) as well in case I need them but they're just caught in the middle of it and as long as it's made good I'm fine with a bit flaking off if it gets fixed. I had a polite chat with them this morning about it so I'm just waiting to see what it ends up like (when they finish tea break number 87... even by tradesmen standards this lot's tea break to work ratio is impressive).

It's if they don't fix it or leave me a really shitty bodge job!

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GrimSqueaker · 19/09/2018 17:40

Well I have just exploded in quite a spectacular fashion - their plasterer guys have left a completely open channel with our brickwork exposed (they've sealed the other side) so now water's just going to track right behind the render we had fixed last year.

Didn't quite reach screaming fishwife level but it did reach "sort this out or I'm prepared to take the legal route" level. That'll give neighbourhood gossip woman months of material to go on (makes a change from her trying to find the phantom dog pooer).

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Japanesejazz · 19/09/2018 20:33

Do you have a party wall agreement

GrimSqueaker · 19/09/2018 21:51

Nope - he's been consistently a bit of a bully of "this is happening next week" and walking away for years before anyone can question it and tried to pull the same stunt here.

He's crapping his pants and desperately trying to get them back to fix the mess they've left now I've mentioned that if we have to we'll go down the legal route, and if the mess is left how it is that's potentially going to be a lot of damp damage inside that it could cause needing to be resolved! We've only really stood up to him once before after the last late night singalong session so he's really not used to it (which is actually, knackered house factor aside, bloody amusing to watch really)!

He saw DH taking photos of the current mess it's all in as well so I genuinely think he's shitting himself we'll go the legal route with it all.

For years we've just gone for the quiet life because it felt like him, his neighbours and the guy over the road were a trio we didn't want to piss off... but now I realise the little trio of them are going to be their little trio regardless and give no thought to anyone else unless they're being inconvenient to them - so I've decided to no longer give a shit. I'm expecting to be nobbled by him tomorrow when I'm on my own and DH isn't around which should be interesting.

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EdisonLightBulb · 21/09/2018 13:50

update please @grimsqueaker !

EndOfDiscOne · 21/09/2018 14:09

Sorry - it's me but I was due a namechange.

Waiting for him to get the guy who's going to be fixing it (allegedly) to fix it... although he has had a guy out there today eyeing the drainpipe for replacement so that's going to be his next nasty surprise if he doesn't discover how to actually ASK.

To be fair to him there's no way anyone could actually be working on the outside of the house in the weather we've had last few days. Again that worries me slightly as now it's going to be a hell of a task waiting for the weather to be obliging for external works and he's not leaving my house half-naked for the winter but we'll see what he comes back with. Needs be we'll start firing off legal letters in a week or so but I reckon there'll be a bloke in our garden with a ladder (probably not having asked to do so - let's not push it too far) by the weekend if the weather breaks... it'll be his mate from over the road doing some extra work on the weekend for cash in hand but again, if it's fixed I'm fine if he shoved Daniel Craig up there in a pink tutu to be honest.

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