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Shared ownership flat in London - yay or nay? All advice welcome

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hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 16:13

Am facing a rather sudden and unexpected dilemma and don't have anyone 'in the know' to ask, so would really appreciate advice from you all. Am a long-time MNnetter (mostly lurking namechanger).

Single woman, 34, no kids, high-pressure job, currently sharing a house with four boys men in London (which is exactly like you might imagine it would be). Badly wanting my own space and having only just become aware of the possibility of shared ownership (normal purchase completely out of reach for me on my own owing to lack of large deposit). I’m going to view a one-bed new-build flat this weekend. It’s not this one, but size/layout/finish/price/costs/area are very similar:

www.sharetobuy.com/properties/31218/

I’m essentially trying to get a sense of whether this is:

a) A rare opportunity I should snap up if I can get it. Flat is lovely and meets my needs and lots of my good-to-haves and I comfortably meet their stated eligibility and affordability criteria with some deposit borrowed from family. I had assumed the competition would be fierce and the salesman I’ve spoken to is certainly trying to give me this impression - I’ve been told that the viewings schedule is very busy (only a few flats are left) and that I should bring my credit card to make a reservation on the day if I want it. There don’t seem to be many other similar options I can apply for/expect to get owing to restrictions about living in borough. Have got a good feeling about the place and am very tempted to just go for it if I can: would love to move into a place of my own (which I’d thought I’d never have) by September. For various reasons I’d love to feel I’ve moved on this year. It’s an area in which I think long-term value is likely to rise.

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b) A foolish/undesirable move in a falling London housing market with Brexit-related uncertainties. It’s more high-end/luxe finish than I really need or have experienced before and service charge is substantial. I’ve detected a slight whiff of desperation in the sales associates I’ve spoken to recently. This developer are offering a discount on the fees and he’s very keen to get me there - he seems to imply that my application would be successful if I put the deposit down first rather than going through a further priority sift (whereas I’ve read older stories of people applying for multiple properties in their borough and being repeatedly rejected as not high priority enough). Could they be struggling to seem competitive in a falling market (this seems crazy given everything I’ve ever experienced in London)? If so, do I risk being ripped off? I believe housing associations have to go on initial valuation and can’t take offers/negotiate, but no idea how to judge the ‘true’ value of a property against current market? Non-SO properties in same building are selling for much more, but these are bigger/posher. Overall property price too expensive to use my Help-to-Buy ISA even though my share is within the limit, which is really annoying.

The two things I’m most worried about are getting into negative equity/being unable to resell, and the impact on my living costs. These would go up substantially from my current outgoings (i.e. by hundreds of pounds): I currently spend 32% of salary on rent/bills/travel, this would increase to 47%. They obviously think this is fine as I’m £4k over required minimum income and if I'm honest there are plenty of non-essential costs I know I could cut back on, but it still seems a lot. I can’t see myself having much spare cash for staircasing in near future. If the rent/service charge increases by a lot, I could start struggling financially. There’s a good chance I’ll be promoted next year, but no guarantee.

I’m a first-time buyer with no experience and this will be the first place I’ve viewed - obviously I’m doing as much research as I can this week but I might need to make a decision pretty quickly, which feels rather scary. I know I’m likely to be met with high-pressure sales tactics during the viewing so I want to be as prepared as possible (am also taking a friend for a second opinion/moral support). I’d love to hear from those with shared ownership properties in London. Are you new build or resale? Have your rent and service charge gone up and how much/quickly? Have you managed to staircase at all? Has anyone had difficulty selling a shared ownership property in London? Would you make the same decision again?

From those with general experience of London market: would you buy in the current falling market or wait until Brexit situation clearer? Can anyone advise a good way to judge whether this window of opportunity really is time sensitive as the agent implies or if I have more time to mull it over? And whether the price is now inflated or not? This is really naive, but is there a sort of independent advisor I could ask about a particular lease/property value - what would I search for (not mortgage advisor? I need a Phil and Kirstie!)?

Apologies for length and thanks in advance for any replies!

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hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 19:47

Hopeful bump for the evening crowd...

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capturingdaydreams · 04/07/2018 20:02

Why don't you buy a shared ownership resale rather than a new build? With those the rent is usually much cheaper. I have a few friends that went for SO. Seems like competition is fierce. I don't think you have to worry about selling it on in a desirable area.

As long as you look at it as a long-term investment, then even if the value does dip because of Brexit you'll be fine.

justkeepmoving · 04/07/2018 20:58

yes as above - dont buy to make a quick buck - buy for your own comfortable future - if you need to sell in 5 years plus then you will have made small profit and will get buyer quickly - i did same but not London - my friend also but now rents hers out - we both would do again if in the same situation

capturingdaydreams · 04/07/2018 21:09

Although you're not allowed to rent out a SO place - just as long as you're aware of this!

Also re: service charge increases, one of my friends has just had his increased by a lot and is trying to fight this. Research the housing association. Some are better than others.

Arewehomeyet · 04/07/2018 21:48

Correct me if I’m wrong, but unless you are expecting a market rise (unlikely) shared ownership gets you nothing above renting your own place.

Arewehomeyet · 04/07/2018 21:50

IE in10 years you may have paid off 50 k from the mortgage. But equally you could rent somewhere cheaper and have saved 50 k instead in a savings account/stock market

hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 22:12

Thanks for these replies! Really useful to hear from those who've done it.

Would definitely consider a resale and would prefer a cheaper monthly cost (and not to line developers' pockets further!) but none are available in my borough and all ones I've seen in other boroughs prioritise their local residents so I assume I'd have no chance. Will keep searching before Sat.

Definitely not looking to make a quick profit but equally don't want to buy something hugely overpriced if markets continue to fall...I just wonder if it's a silly time to buy.

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hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 22:17

@Arewehomeyet I understand the advantage is that the rent is much cheaper this way. Say my SO rent is £700 and mortgage or 'savings' £500. I could never find a central one-bed for such cheap rent to then save the £500 each month. Even with the service charge it seems worth it when I think about it like this.

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hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 22:18

@capturingdaydreams thanks for this, useful warning. Will research the agents!

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ohnothanks · 04/07/2018 22:28

Mm no I'm not sold on shared ownership like this. You are leaving yourself open to substantial risk for potentially little reward. Rent rises could do you over, service charges in a posh block are going to be more than in a more workaday one...

I can see your dilemma though. House share sounds painful! Does it have to be inner London? What is your max mortgage loan ??

Arewehomeyet · 04/07/2018 22:30

How much would it cost you to rent a 1 bed? I have heard of the rent and service charges going up quickly on these SO flats do may not end up any different? Plus if you can no longer pay the mortgage the entire flat would be repossessed and you would lose everything you have paid off.

Daisymay2 · 04/07/2018 22:31

Second comments about services charges. Some management agents get a rake off from the contracts and are not bothered to get the best deal. I have known them to set up cleaning companies and then cleaners travelled 1.5 hours each way for a 2 hour clean of communal areas. We were charged for 5hours! It was hard work to change the agents as needed to organise an extra-ordinary AGM.

Bringonspring · 04/07/2018 22:33

What about help to buy scheme rather than shared owner ship Could you qualify for the 80% mortgage? Better than paying rent

catweather · 04/07/2018 22:37

I brought a SO flat in London nearly three years ago and it's been amazing. It's much nicer and more central than anything we could have afforded to rent and works out about the same cost pcm - except half of it is going on the mortgage instead of just straight to the landlord which feels much better. Our service charge has gone up slightly but it's negligible. I'd really recommend it, but feel free to PM if you have any questions Smile

Battleax · 04/07/2018 22:45

Wandle were very staunchly criticised not long ago concerning their treatment of leaseholders. So I hope your “similar” flat isn’t actually one of theirs.

bionicnemonic · 04/07/2018 22:46

If you can get to look at the lease and read through about the service charge. I’d be very cautious about a charge that could just be increased every year with no get out clause

www.lease-advice.org/advice-guide/service-charges-other-issues/#

hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 22:51

So is there no way of predicting rent and service charge rises? Surely no one could afford limitless rises! Doesn't the housing association have some role in regulating rent rises for SO properties? Good to hear that residents club together to resist @Daisymay2. I do worry I'd be an outlier as most flats in the block are private sales.

Doesn't have to be very central London but I don't think I want to move far out as a single person as I would find this isolating and I'd struggle with a long commute. At the moment I would rather rent even with less-than-perfect sharing!

Rental cost for one-bed obviously depends on area - where I'm looking at the SO the one-bed rents are £1300 for a normal, presentable, but not flashy flat.

On my salary my max mortgage would be £270,000 which makes it impossible to buy in London. I also don't have a big deposit - just a few thousands pounds and the possibility to borrow a few more from family. I think this rules me out from Help to Buy but places shared ownership within reach.

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Kamma89 · 04/07/2018 22:52

That's an optimistic asking price in my opinion. Have you looked at how much supply of flats in particular are due in the area? Look at vauxhall oversupply. Nothing shifting. But...I'd take shared ownership over renting any day, especially if you're thinking longer term & not wanting to make a profit.

hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 22:54

Thanks @catweather - will PM you.

Good to know @Battleax. Not Wandle but will be googling this one.

Thanks @bionicnemonic, I will asked for lease before I view and have a proper look through.

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hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 22:59

Thanks @Kamma89. Sorry to be dim but not sure what you mean by 'how much supply of flats in particular are due in the area'? Do you mean what's on the market and not selling? I have seen a number of flats listed as reduced on Rightmove so I assume these are the ones you mean?

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hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 23:04

My understanding is you can't negotiate price for SO as they must sell at valuation price. But what if valuation isn't recent and prices have fallen, leading to 'optimistic' price? Can I ask that they revalue?

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Artfooldodger · 04/07/2018 23:09

I bought a shared ownership 2 bed flat with a parking space, tiny garden & walking distance to a good tube in 1994 for £50k. I staircased (bought the remaining percentage) about 4 years later. I've still got the flat and it's clearly worth far more now.

It was a great thing for me, but everyone is different.

Service charge used to be around £70/month when I first bought and is now around £120/month so still very affordable.

Isobelcormel · 04/07/2018 23:15

In all honesty? It’d be foolish to buy now in London.

It’d be foolish to buy a 3/4 bed period property as prices are have been falling for the past 2 years, first slowly, now gathering pace . And it would be insane to buy a new built luxury box - especially in Battersea... isn’t Nine Elms mass producing an absolute glut of ‘luxury’ flats?

Please wait a year and then get your 2 for 1!

Good luck!

Johnnyfinland · 04/07/2018 23:19

I wouldn’t, because of the costs of renting the rest of the flat on top of the mortgage. Have you looked into help to buy? You get a 40% of the house price loan from the govt which is interest free for 5 years. So you only need a small deposit

hopespringseternal18 · 04/07/2018 23:44

Thanks for your experience @artfooldodger and your honesty @isobelcormel! So you're saying a new-build 'luxury' flat is a poor investment because the falling market is becoming flooded and I'd soon be in negative equity?

To be clear, it's not in Battersea or near - I meant a similarly regenerating Zone 2 area ('mine' is Canada Water).

I will look again at Help to Buy but in London on one salary it was still too expensive last time I looked.

From what I've seen, mortgage + rent + service charge is the same as or cheaper than equivalent rents in the area so I might as well be paying a mortgage even if prices go down?

I've just read some terrible reviews of the housing association (L&Q) so thanks to @capturingdaydreams for tipping me off about this.

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