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Moths in rented property

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Mcmcmcmc · 29/06/2018 23:26

My partner and I moved into a rental 8 months ago. It was rented via an estate agency company but is managed by the landlord. A few months after moving in, we started noticing holes in our wollen clothing, but were not seeing moths or larvae in the flat at that point. We tried to control what we thought was a small moth infestation with the usual stuff (cleaning, hoovering, washing clothes, using vacuum sealed bags, moth balls/sachets/sprays/cedar balls), but since the weather has got warmer, things got out of control and we started seeing moths everywhere, in all stages including pupae, larvae and adult moths.

I spent literally 10 days deep cleaning the flat and washing, drying and ironing all our clothes and bed linen, and got rid of everything we were not using, including 1/3 of my clothes. During that cleaning process (for which I had to use 2 weeks of annual leave) I found clear signs of significant moth damage to the carpets. A quick look at the inventory pictures showed that the damage was already there before we moved in, but we had barely noticed it as we had never had moths and thought the carpets were just a bit old and worn. I can’t tell exactly if the carpet damage has gotten worse, as the inventory pictures only show a small part of the living room carpet.

We tried to contact our landlord through the usual channels of emails, telephone, voicemail, texts and whatsapp, for 3 weeks with no success. Only a few days ago I decided to contact him for a minor electrical issue (which honestly didn’t bother me that much) and, lo and behold, we replied within 20 minutes. A few days later I managed to get him to phone me. He agreed to get the electrical issue fixed but was adamant that the moths were not his problem. He was extremely rude and patronising, and suggested that 1) the moth infestation was our fault and 2) it was ‘not that hard’ to control the problem, as we could buy some moth balls to put in our drawers!

He went on to say that the contract drawn by the estate agents states that pests and vermin should be dealt with by the tenant. Actually, the tenancy agreement reads: “tenant should take reasonable precautions to prevent infestation of the property by vermin (...). If infestation occurs due to something done or not done by the tenant, tenant should pay the costs of removing the infestation”.

My argument is: there is clear photographic documentation that the carpet had been eaten by moths before we moved in, and the tenancy agreement talks about ‘prevention’ where the infestation was already installed prior to our arrival. Also, to get rid of the moths in the carpets would involve professional pest control and professional carpet cleaning, which are way beyond ‘reasonable precautions’. Third, the agreement talks about the tenant being responsible for dealing with infestations cause by things ‘done or not done’ by the tenants, which again was not the case as we did not bring the moths in, the carpets show that they were well installed already.

I spoke to the department that deals with private tenancies at our local coucil. They said the tenancy law states that landlords have to pay for damages that come from the flat’s structure, and the carpets could be seen as that. However, the council only do inspections for pests that cause severe health hazards eg mice and not for moths. They said we could take legal action against the landlord if we could prove that the infestation came from the carpet, but that that option is obviously a costly and lengthy process.

Anyway, long story over, this is seriously bothering me and I think he is in the wrong. Not to mention that I’m exhausted for dealing with this intensively for over 3 weeks now and feeling shocked by how rude and patronising he was on the phone, as well as ignoring us for 3 weeks for no good reason. We are planning to buy our own place soon, but searching for a property and getting e everything sorted will take at least a year, so we can’t easily move out of this flat until then. Any advice on how to deal with this landlord much appreciated.

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CherryNib · 30/06/2018 18:30

Personally I would get the problem professionally dealt with and take the money out of the rent.
I would inform the landlord in writing that this is my intention and keep copies of all correspondence and records of all conversations.
I would take photos of the moths and the damaged clothing.
If the landlord tried to evict/take me to court I would then be well prepared with a counter argument.

Lucisky · 30/06/2018 21:18

A friend had an infestation like yours and they got Rentokil in to deal with it (2 treatments). Like yours, it had gone beyond a few holey jumpers. Who should bear the cost, I m not sure, but it sounds like you were 'infected' by an existing moth problem, so really it should be your landlord. Friends treatment was covered by their insurance, but insurance company would not pay to replace damaged carpets.
Lakeland sells a lot of anti moth stuff, but I expect you've tried them.
My parents had problems with moths. I inherited some of their soft furnishings and managed to introduce moths into my house for the first time ever. I was horrified!

ToadOfSadness · 30/06/2018 21:59

Once you have everything washed and sealed in bags, put them in plastic boxes with lavender bags/moth repelling blocks.

Spray the entire house with a flea killer designed for pets, it will last 6 months, ensure you buy a good one like Acclaim or Frontline. You will need several cans and it is cheaper to buy them online rather than a vet. Do not get crappy ones from the supermarket, if you Google the active ingredients in the ones I mentioned you can find which others will work.

Spray under furniture, in cracks of floor, over carpets, in vents, cupboards, skirting boards, everywhere. Do one or two rooms at a time, ensure windows are open and shut the doors for a day or more before using the rooms. Work through the house. Repeat in 6 months. In the meantime if you see a moth, kill it with fly spray or beat it to death.

One thing, they will come in through open windows and hide, they like the dark so you could put netting up to keep them out.

There are other methods that are supposed to control them but this is the one I found works. Also moved into an infested house, and lost a lot of good clothing before I realised.

This also works for carpet beetles.

ToadOfSadness · 30/06/2018 22:00

Oh I forgot, I also sprayed my clothes with the flea spray before bagging them up for storing for the season, aired them when they came out to be used again.

Littlemissdemeanour · 30/06/2018 22:06

This happened to me a few years ago in previous property.

I got Rentokill over and explained to the man the issue; landlord / agency blaming me, be being positive it wasn’t me.

I asked him to draw up a quotation, and as part of this, include an indication as to how long they had been manifest in the property. He reckoned 7 years. I’d been there 2. It was an ongoing issue for me, too.

The landlord/ agency backed down eventually (and after suggesting LL fumigate place himself with ‘smoke bombs’ he bought on eBay Hmm - you can imagine I hit the roof at that as it was MY soft furnishings therein!)

Anyway, I’d recommend you try a few companies, and get a few quotes. This should offer conclusive evidence it pre dated your tenancy.

Best of luck- not a pleasant situation.

Littlemissdemeanour · 30/06/2018 22:07

Ps my landlord did pay for professional fumigation and it worked with no inconvenience.

Mcmcmcmc · 01/07/2018 01:21

Thanks so much all, very helpful.
Littlemissfumigation it’s good to know your LL backed down eventually. Mine is a complete #%?!%# (honestly I have no words to describe him) so I know it will be a difficult battle.

My cleaner came in today and she was amazing. We shifted the sofas and found whole communities of moths under them (though I had hoovered under them 2 weeks ago!). I’m talking loads of moth pupae and some live adult moths in the little corners of the carpet near the walls. The same was happening in the bedroom, behind my shoe shelf and, of course, under the bed. She hoovered everything and treated the whole carpet with carpet moth spray, and I went in afterwards with my steam iron and literally steamed every inch of the carpet on the highest heat setting.

However, the carpets are getting loose on the corners and I suspect there are moths underneath. I think when you start ironing your carpets you clearly are not taking “reasonable precautions” to “prevent” an infestation, it’s much more severe than that.

I will keep doing this exhausting routine every week for the next month or so (or when I literally can’t anymore, whichever happens sooner!). If I keep seeing the little devils flying around, then I will bring a pest control company in for an evaluation- hopefully they can say how long the problem has been around as in your case littlemissdemeanour !

I am also thinking of sending a more formal email to the LL detailing our phone conversation and making it clear that I will not accept responsibility for any moth damage to his carpets or even curtains (don’t think the curtains have been eaten yet, but you never know!). I will also say that it is unacceptable that he takes between 3-6 weeks to respond to every request for repair that we make (including those for which he accepts responsibility), and if he is as busy as he says he must nominate a deputy to deal witu our requests in a reasonable timeframe (say 3 working days).
I’m not fooling myself that he will comply, but I’m fed up and need to put this in writing to him formally.

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Kamma89 · 01/07/2018 10:22

Leave the tenancy as quickly as possible if you are able. If the landlord is like this on this issue he is bound to be terrible in other circumstances. Good luck

Mcmcmcmc · 01/07/2018 11:41

I know Kamma89 this is so true... I am starting to search for a property to buy. These things take quite a bit of time, but I hope to be able to move into my own place within the next 1 year.

Today I still need to empty, clean, hoover and iron (!) 3 more cupboards, then the whole flat will be done - only for me to have to start all over again next week!

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