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No certs for boiler installed 2012 and selling

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SellingPains · 18/05/2018 20:39

Ffs it's one thing after another with this sale.

But we never received a gas safe or building reg certificate when our boiler was installed, need to let our solicitor know on Monday, but on a scale of 1 to 10, how big of a disaster is this?

Did get the warranty cert which I thought was all I needed stupid Hmm

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LIZS · 18/05/2018 20:41

Do you know who installed it?

specialsubject · 18/05/2018 20:46

gas safe not needed. building regs is, contact the council and see if there is one. if not you can get it inspected.

hassle but no more unless installer fouled up.

AlexanderHamilton · 18/05/2018 20:47

If the installer did the notification you can get a copy from Gas Safe for a small fee. If not you need to contact whoever installed the appliance.

Japanesejazz · 18/05/2018 20:48

You could argue it on the grounds of “ we do not hold the certificate. Due to the age of the works we are not prepared to provide anything further” or “we do not hold the installation certificate but will have the boiler tested before exchange “ or offer to provide indemnity insurance for lack of building regulations.
And it’s not a disaster in any way
HTH

Japanesejazz · 18/05/2018 20:50

You can get a replacement certificate if your installer registered it. If they did it would show on your buyers local search. I would argue against paying for a replacement as that would be sufficient for their needs.

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SellingPains · 18/05/2018 20:51

I've checked gas safe website and it's not on there. Buyers solicitor asked when boiler was installed and if we don't know want an indemnity insurance taken out.

I've contacted the plumber but don't expect much from that.

Will the council retrospectively approve?

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LIZS · 18/05/2018 20:53

Indemnity insurance is unlikely to be costly. If the council acknowledges there is no record you won't be able to take out a policy.

Japanesejazz · 18/05/2018 20:54

DO NOT contact the council. You will be putting them on notice and will not then be able to obtain an indemnity. Believe me it’s no big deal

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SellingPains · 18/05/2018 20:58

Thanks for all the advice, I won't contact the council.

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sausagedogsmakechipolatas · 18/05/2018 21:00

We had this; boiler installed in 2006 by us, had a decent gas safety check and service but no building regs cert. Indemnity was £27.

specialsubject · 18/05/2018 21:06

cowboy installer. I had a solicitor who would not allow exchange without the certs, not indemnity. for your buyers to decide.

Japanesejazz · 18/05/2018 21:07

Welcome. If I was your lawyer I would argue the point. But I’m a hard faced baggage!

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SellingPains · 18/05/2018 21:11

I don't think they were needed for installation in 2006 sausage

special his website says gas safe and corgi registered. I do remember he was really sick at the time as it was postponed twice so he may have genuinely forgot but I'm pissed off he did the warranty as I would have chased that up and may have seen other certs were required.

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AlexanderHamilton · 18/05/2018 21:11

The requirement to notify only came in in 2010 sausage.

sausagedogsmakechipolatas · 18/05/2018 21:42

Ah that makes sense Alexander! I did wonder tbh. Our buyer was fine with it thankfully.

sausagedogsmakechipolatas · 18/05/2018 21:43

Sorry SP, meant to say I hope this is sorted easily and quickly for you.

PeppermintPasty · 18/05/2018 22:40

This is ridiculously common and nothing at all to worry about. Do not at any time contact the council, it will invalidate the future insurance that you will need to take out, and that will then be a pain in the arse for you.

The insurance is cheap. Solicitor will take it out for you on completion.

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SellingPains · 18/05/2018 23:57

So glad I posted! I'm usually one for panicking and contacting everyone.

Hopefully I don't have the same issue as special but as the buyers solocitor mentioned indemnity insurance already hopefully this will be enough.

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Russgas · 20/05/2018 03:35

Indemnity insurance is cheap, cheaper than notification which was introduced in 2005. Engineers forget, generally not intentionally.

Chickencellar · 20/05/2018 07:21

I see this quite a bit on here talk of indemnity policy. But in this case what are you indemnify against ? Poor workmanship ? Non compliant installation ?

PeppermintPasty · 20/05/2018 09:45

The latter @Chickencellar.

The policy only protects the holder from the issues arising from enforcement action taken against them by the local authority. Action may be taken by an LA if it comes to their attention that there is no building regulation paperwork in place to confirm it (the boiler, the extension, whatever) was completed according to the regulations.

So, it can fund the costs of defending oneself against enforcement action in court, but not against faulty workmanship.

MrsFezziwig · 20/05/2018 10:08

Definitely the indemnity insurance. It is cheap & easily sorted. If the buyers are really twitchy about the safety of the boiler (which would be crazy since presumably you’ve been using it with no issues since 2012, but some people will pick up on anything) then you can have a safety check on the boiler.

NotDavidTennant · 20/05/2018 10:22

I struggle to understand the point of indemnity insurance in situations like this. If you tell the council about the problem then the insurance is void, but if you don't tell the council then there is not going to be any enforcement to insure against. What does it actually protect you from?

Chickencellar · 20/05/2018 10:22

pepper
So it's of little use . I would suggest the chances of being prosecuted by the LA for something you didn't have a hand in and something they didn't know about , well more chance of winning the lottery. I bet for the legal and insurance industry it's a steady number , I wonder how many are taken out each year and how many are claimed on.

PeppermintPasty · 20/05/2018 22:25

I couldn't agree more. I'm a conveyancing solicitor and I hate them, but they are a means to an end. And yes, in my experience very few claims are made. But that's why insurance companies always thrive!