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Vendor unwilling to move!

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katzensocken · 14/05/2018 18:32

Hi, you might remember me from such thrilling update posts as 'why won't the seller let us in the cellar,' 'what's going on with the freeholders,' and 'why haven't you guys found a house yet.' Made a new thread for this as I'm so livid and I KNEW this would happen.

Backstory: We're FTB, offer accepted in late January, things moving along since then, normal pace for a leasehold with paperwork etc, but there were issues along the way. Things like the vendor taking ages to let the surveyor in. As far as a couple months ago, I suspected stalling tactics. They just weren't looking at houses to buy. Meanwhile, we'd tentatively agreed on a 17th May completion. They happily went along with this, insisting they were working to our deadline and that they were 'still looking,' but would go into rented otherwise. We went on believing this (well, I didn't personally) until about three weeks ago. We went for a third viewing to measure up, everything seemed positive, finally saw the cellar, etc. Then we discuss timings and the vendor says 'yes we're buying a fixer upper now so definitely going into rented while we do it up.' So we say great! Go off feeling positive. They say they will update us before end of the month (April) so we can be sure of what we're all doing.

More paperwork comes in, we don't hear from them though. After a couple of weeks we bug the agent about it and he starts to chase them up. Everything is pretty much in - we get a text from the vendor to say he has one document left to return, and the surveyor is popping in for a look at the cellar as we agreed. This was last Wednesday morning that we received the text. I just have an occupier's consent form to sign for the solicitor and then we should be ready to exchange.

But on Wednesday afternoon, the agent calls back to say 'sorry, they're not going into rented now.' They tried to reassure they are looking only at chain free properties and 'offering very soon.' Unfortunately, our mortgage offer expires after six months (end of June). They've known this from the beginning. To get a month long extension we will need a completion date.

So we put together a long email, stating we're worried they are not motivated to move and we want some security in the purchase. We propose they commit to exchange in the next couple of weeks and set a date, otherwise we may have to pull out. This was communicated on Thursday morning. Since then, the agent has been chasing them up - they said they would respond on Friday and didn't. No answer on Saturday.

Finally, this afternoon we get an answer. DH was hoping they were seriously thinking about this, but it turns out not. The vendor said he is not budging, they are not going into rented.

The agent said the conversation went in circles - he reiterated how long it might take to get completion even on a chain free property, and how this would take us over the time limit with our mortgage offer. The vendor simply kept saying he was offering on properties this week. He doesn't seem to understand or care that our mortgage offer runs out and they will lose us, so any onward purchase will be in jeopardy as well. He literally didn't acknowledge our mortgage offer whatsoever. The agent is run ragged over this.

For now, we haven't said anything concrete in response. We can't really withdraw until we know we are proceeding on something else. We have other viewings booked this week, unfortunately, after all this time we are now slightly priced out of the housing we need in the area we need. I'm absolutely devastated for that reason, not just for the loss of the nice house we had chosen. The alternatives that I get a 'feeling' for - well, we can only offer lower than asking, and it's very competitive here. The others on the market are not right for us. But if we don't buy something now, we risk being completely priced out even further.

I knew that the vendor wasn't willing to move. When we visited last they hadn't packed at all, and they pressed us to come back for a fourth or even fifth viewing if need be. That set alarm bells ringing because we were supposed to be fairly close to exchange.

As it is, we can ask whether they want to set a much later completion if they exchange now, but it's probably not worth it. I'm only considering that because I'm scared we won't find anything else suitable. We've been renting for over ten years and thought this was going to be it.

I suppose there's not much advice I can ask for, I've done most everything I can and taking steps to move on. But I guess I just wanted to vent/rant, maybe get some positive stories regarding this type of situation. Has a second purchase attempt worked out for any of you? I want to believe it's 'meant to be,' or whatever, that we will find a 'better' house, but finance wise I don't see how!

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TheDinosaurRoars · 14/05/2018 18:44

Your story sums up exactly why I hate moving house!

I really feel for you and think that if you were on the outside looking in, you would agree when I say to walk away and find somewhere else. Unfortunately it’s not always that straightforward when you have found the place you want and paid for all the surveys and searches.

I know every situation is different but we had huge problems last time we moved but have ended up in a much better house. I hope things work out well for you.

GU24Mum · 14/05/2018 19:57

If the seller doesn't want to move into rented then you can set a flexible completion ie on 28 days' notice from the seller to you BUT you'd have to have a long stop date as you won't want to be committed for ever and there's nothing to stop the seller letting the long stop date come and go then all you get back is your deposit.

Sorry but it sounds as though you need to keep looking for somewhere else. You don't need to tell the seller that - just wait and see if you find something you like.

mangocoveredlamb · 14/05/2018 19:57

I’m so sorry!

This happened to a friend of mine, and they chose a much better house in a different area and it’s been so much better.

katzensocken · 14/05/2018 20:11

Yep, actively looking as of now (and physically looking from tomorrow onwards). We're not going to confirm anything either way until we have an idea what we're doing, the vendor can just wait on our response for once. Fingers crossed one of the new houses might accept an offer. Bless my DH because he loved the other house and he's not ready to move on (I'm not either but, you know). And every response to a new house is just 'I guess.' Pretty hard to get him interested in looking again. That's the worst part I think!

Plus, we are all packed. Our cats have been with family for a month already so they didn't get in the way during packing/moving. Miss them so much!

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ScrubTheDecks · 14/05/2018 20:23

My e mail would not have been long. It would have said “our mortgage offer runs out xxx. If we do not exchange contracts within 5 days we will pull out”.

The vendor sounds ridiculous. Remember the agent is working for them, not you. (Though I am sure the EA wants the sale).

I wonder if the vendor realises he will not be able to offer elsewhere without an offer on his house...

Put as much energy as possible into looking elsewhere.

katzensocken · 14/05/2018 20:49

Basically the email did say that, but in a diplomatic way! We might do something more like that tomorrow. We won't continue without exchange. I doubt they will commit to any date at all though, even a much later one (we suggested late June already).

Don't think he has thought of how it might impact his onward offers! That makes me believe they/he at least doesn't really care about moving. Weird because they seemed like they really needed to at first (small FTB house, they now have a child and pets, planning another child which won't fit into that house).

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Fannyfanakerpants · 14/05/2018 20:56

We had this in a chain. On the day of exchange, it was found that the top had nowhere to go! I have no idea how this wasn't discovered before?
The whole chain collapsed but we loved our house so held on. It probably took another 4 months, which isnt what you want to hear.
We had gone through a mortgage broker so they extended our offer but I don't think it was that hard. I seem to remember maybe having to just prove income or something again. We had no charges from the bank to do this.

Chocolate50 · 14/05/2018 21:15

Nightmare. This happened to us but we found somewhere else quickly. But just before we exchanged guess what...ghe original property came back on the market. In the end we chose the 2nd property & have happily lived here for 13 years. You never know. You sometimes have to be philosophical about it... if ot doesn't happen move on. You're doing the right thing.

OneDayIWillHaveAGreatUsername · 15/05/2018 00:59

Oh no OP. That is miserable.
I'm here to share a positive story ... we waited FIVE MONTHS for a house and in that time we lost two buyers. In the end our vendors admitted they wouldn't move without finding something and their search area was minuscule so it was unlikely (and they wouldn't go into renter).
The next house we offered on (quickly) and were happy as the owners had found something and just needed to be proceedable. Funnily enough their absolutely sh!t EA neglected to tell us they didn't get the property and we only found out a month down the line.
At that point we found the house we ended up buying ... chain free (and vacant) and way way way way way better than either of the first two properties.
The entire experience was horrible, painful and stressful plus we had to re-do our mortgage application but in the end I'm glad the other houses didn't come to anything as we ended up with the best of the bunch (although I didn't believe we'd ever find anything better each time).
Good luck Thanks

sausagedogsmakechipolatas · 15/05/2018 04:18

They’re either not wanting to move, or living in cloud cuckoo land re: how long it could potentially take for them to buy a chain free property.
At this point I would be giving an ultimatum: exchange as planned on 17th, complete before your mortgage offer expires or they lose the sale. January to June is way long enough for them to look for something else and it sounds like they haven’t been bothered enough to look for a property to buy.

Furano · 15/05/2018 07:08

You’ve been waiting long enough. Sounds like they aren’t serious buyers.

Exchange inn5 days and complete end of June or we pull out. Done. No point being Softley Softley with them.

FinallyHere · 15/05/2018 07:22

Have you considered selling your own place and moving into rented, til you find somewhere else?

If you can stand the cost, its great. You are a very attractive buyer, can negotiate on price and once you have completion dates can leave a gap in order to have the house decorated before you move in.

Worth considering.

ScrubTheDecks · 15/05/2018 07:30

And the problem is that even if they do find somewhere to buy, they will be as nightmarish and slow as buyers as they are as vendors.

In the end you have to ask yourself will you put up with any amount of delay and risk for the chance of this house? Or can you not afford for him to dick you around any longer.

SoyDora · 15/05/2018 07:30

They’re FTB’s FinallyHere so no place to sell.
We had a similar (although not quite so bad) situation when we bought as FTB’s last year. Basically they led us to believe all the way through that they were moving in with family, then on the day of exchange said they weren’t, and wouldn’t proceed until they found somewhere. We sent an email such as those suggested above. Luckily they found somewhere (chain free) within a couple of days of that and it all moved from then. Still added a couple of months on to it all though.
I agree with an email saying ‘exchange by this date or we walk’.

littleneepo · 15/05/2018 07:30

So we had a similar situation about 5 years ago... made an offer, was accepted, vendors kept promising they were looking & offering on properties.... but apparently to no luck (but I think they were just being lazy!)
We waited 5.5 months until I lost my rag, called all the relevant parties and said “no thankyou!”. The search for another property then was hard as i was comparing them all to the first house - BUT my sanity couldn’t have taken it anymore. We did find another house, which we now agree is much better, in a slightly different area which again is much better!
2 years on I drove past the original house and still saw the vendors cars there - so they never moved!!
Good luck - try to keep calm & keep your resolve - sounds like your vendors are similar time wasters!

ScrubTheDecks · 15/05/2018 07:31

Finally: the OP is a FTB.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 15/05/2018 07:39

Sounds like they're in no hurry whatsoever. And they might be waiting for your mortgage offer to run out so they can put it back on the market for more money.

Sorry OP. Buying my first house took a hideous 10 months, from putting in an offer to getting the keys.

Pimpernell182 · 15/05/2018 07:43

We had similar. Much faffing from the vendor who was allegedly moving in with friends. Property was a dump and had been on the market a long time. We were cash buyers so it should have all been so simple! We had spent money on surveys and searches but in the end my patience ran out. Started looking at other properties that day and found an almost identical house a few streets over in much better condition. The difference in price was way less than what the renovation would have cost. I had invested a lot emotionally in the first house but it was absolutely the right outcome for us that we offered on the new property and cut our losses on the first. Ea was livid. Well, I guess he should have thought of that before facilitating the vendors endless procrastination.

wowfudge · 15/05/2018 09:01

Some people get so wrapped up in themselves in the process that they don't think clearly. Incidentally, not having g packed anything is no indicator of an unwillingness to move - we used the movers packing service and nothing was packed until two days before completion.

specialsubject · 15/05/2018 09:09

going into rental is almost always a lie. final ultimatum and then move on.

blueskyinmarch · 15/05/2018 09:11

Sounds like a nightmare. I am glad we live in Scotland as the system appears to work much better.

BrandNewHouse · 15/05/2018 09:14

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TheFaerieQueene · 15/05/2018 09:21

I’m smelling a rat here. Perhaps he has got into financial difficulties and his partner doesn’t know. If they apply for a new mortgage it will all come out.
It doesn’t make sense otherwise.

SlothMama · 15/05/2018 09:49

He doesn't sound like serious seller imo, I'd try to force exchange then a completion date and whilst doing that have a look at other properties.

crimsonlake · 15/05/2018 10:10

I had this very recently. Seller said they would move into rented for a quick sale, 2 weeks before completion turns out they were in a chain and wouldn't move until it suited them.
As I suspected something like this I never stopped looking even after they had accepted my offer. However nothing chain free and within my price range etc came on the market.
In the end we exchanged and completed on the same day so basically it was all up in the air til then. Even on completion day they messed me around terribly and I got the keys 6 hours late
You do whatever is right for you, but keep looking for chain free properties and you could move quickly.
Good luck and hope it all works out in the end.