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Advice needed on negotiating with buyers

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sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 11:17

Hi everyone,

We're currently selling our house, buying a new one. We've just had a hiccup with selling and I'm in need of some advice about how to negotiate the next stage.

Basically the buyer's survey valuation came back 5k less than asking price. We went through a lengthy process of agreeing a new price, as we were not made aware of the valuation, their solicitor just sent us quite a rude email saying they would get quotes for some things flagged in the survey, and demanded that we made some repairs and to let them know when it was done. After over a week of them getting quotes, us negotiating around what needed doing (all through EA at this point), and us eventually lowering price to match valuation, they agreed to the lower price but also insisted the repairs they wanted us to do were done. I'm not really sure why they didn't just approach us through the estate agent and ask for a reduction in line with the valuation as we would have been happy to do that, but they seem to want this work doing more than getting a discount.

So we agreed as they are very minor things, one of them is to clean a 'stain' off the wall in a bedroom. When I looked all I could see was a scuff mark which I cleaned off with a cloth (the buyer didn't know what the stain was, and is now needing to clarify with surveyor about what it is, so I think they just picked some random items from the survey, I'm still not sure why). They also requested we filled some holes left from when we removed a shelf from the cupboard under the stairs. The others were to fix a loose shower fitting (5 second job of tightening up the covers), repair a tear in loft felt ( the tear is approx an inch long, we used some roofing tape as recommended online), and to increase loft insulation by 10cm (it's a small house so will cost us roughly £60 to put another layer down and about an hour of our time). I'm not sure why they couldn't proceed with sale without these jobs being done, they seem incredibly minor and as the house is nearly 30 years old they are certainly not the only minor repairs needed, so the list seems arbitrary but then everyone is different.

My issue is now that they want to come and inspect the work we have done and I'm not sure how to play it really. Me and husband discussed and just said we would be super nice, invite them in but then let the EA (who we would show repairs beforehand) go with them to inspect while we wait downstairs and leave them to it. However, my Dad says I need to take a more stern approach and tell them in no uncertain terms that if they don't agree that everything is fine that the house will be going back on the market that day, and that they are totally playing us for fools having us running round doing these minor jobs as some kind of power play.

I am just so stressed about it all, we've had such an awful 2 years with losing a baby, losing my FIL and a relative having cancer. I just want to move on and do this in a stress free manner but can see my Dad's point, I think they do know they have upper hand here as they are FTB and no rush to move out of parents, whereas we are moving to a new home. What approach would people take? Me and DH have agreed that if they do request more work or more money off we will let them know it's going back on the market, (that's not really about money, but trying to find a buyer who will cause us less stress and will be vetted more thoroughly), but I don't want to say that unless they do express they are unhappy with the repairs. For all we know they could come to inspect, then say they are 100% happy to proceed and we can all move on towards exchange. Also, the memorandum of sale was rewritten with the new price and statement about said 5 repairs being done but no other work would be carried out. My Dad is now panicking me saying they sound like they won't honour the new agreement and will start stringing us along, and that we should just get it back on the market. Am I being naive in thinking things will all go swimmingly after this weekend or is my Dad right?

TIA

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DancingLedge · 28/03/2018 11:24

They sound like nervous, picky FTB.
Let them have the inspection. hopefully their minds will be set at rest.No point in worrying before it happens.

Any more quibbles, yes, tell them it's going back on the market.

sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 11:26

Thank you Dancing Ledge, this was my feeling, of crossing that bridge if and when we come to it.

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sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 11:31

I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning also, that it seems to be the buyer's father who is doing most of the decision making. At one point last week the buyer refused to speak to the EA and was crying because she was so stressed out, so the EA had to deal with the father. So, yes definitely nervous FTB, but then this makes me nervous as well if the father is making the decisions, we have no idea what he's like and it changes the dynamic a lot (just me projecting here what my own Dad is like with his 'diplomacy' Wink).

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Caspiana · 28/03/2018 11:32

I agree to put it back up if any further issues. They may be FTB but they’ve spent money on surveyors and solicitors and may well be attached to the house so you’re not necessarily in as weak a position as you think.

Sorry it’s happening though, it’s so stressful Flowers

Viviennemary · 28/03/2018 11:33

They just sound like very determined and very hard work. I'd be tempted to tell them to get lost but on the other hand no point in doing that if you are near a sale. I agree let them have their inspection and after that just say no more that's it or else they could string you along for ever and then pull out in the end. It's anybody's guess how this will go. Hope it works out.

QuiteLikely5 · 28/03/2018 11:39

See how the reinspection goes and if they are fussy then just remarket the property.

Sounds like daddy is paying for the house!

sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 11:40

Thanks Caspiana and Vivienne, hoping it all goes ok and I'll come back and update. Deep breaths and fingers crossed!

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sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 11:52

Quitelikely5, yes I think so too...

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TwitterQueen1 · 28/03/2018 12:02

They're a pair of CFs and I would not let them 'inspect' anything. Your house is still yours, and it's not their place to tell you what you should or shouldn't be doing.

I would be very wary of them. If they're being this awkward at this stage I'd bet you any money that 2 or 3 days before completion they will demand you reduce the price by 0000s or they will pull out.

I would tell them you're losing confidence in them as prospective buyers and that you're seriously considering putting the house back on the market. As a seasoned buyer / seller I'm with your Dad on this.

sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 12:25

TwitterQueen1, yeah that's something we've thought about and are prepared for, but we just want to get this inspection done, giving them benefit of the doubt and hoping it will be ok. However, I'm slightly worried now, just phoned EA to check they'd confirmed coming on Saturday (they originally suggested Sat 7th, but we wanted to bring it forward to get things moving) and they can't as they are now going on holiday for a week from Friday 30th March.
I've said we can do tomorrow (will mean taking day off work to do the work early but I am so stressed out with this I just want a line drawn under it). Will see what they say, but all seems odd to be taking holiday towards end of house buying process. Please tell me I am worried over nothing!

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gillybeanz · 28/03/2018 12:37

We had this with one sale, and put it back on market again.
They soon changed their tune, but luckily a cash buyer came in and we went with them.
Some people try it on, you need to get tough and just tell EA/Solicitors if they don't complete by x date, it's going back on market with a different EA.

sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 12:39

another update, they don't think they can view tomorrow evening as their flight is so early Friday morning.
Our solicitor hasn't sent updated contract to them yet, or the reply to enquiries, but he has the answers from us. So they can't sign anything til the new contract is drawn up by their solicitor apparently. Even if this was all done it would be irrelevant as they can't sign anything til Monday 9th April as they're out of the country.
The good news is they have said they would be happy to exchange without seeing the work.
Now I'm not sure I should take their word for it. Would anyone consider taking TwitterQueens approach at this point and say it's going back on the market?
I'm speaking to our solicitor this afternoon about progress on our purchase, if they need more time on that side of things then Monday the 9th might be fine?
Confused, stressed and generally fed up. TIA!

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gillybeanz · 28/03/2018 12:51

Tell them what you want with a time scale and tell them if it isn't done by then it's back on the market.
If they have to cancel their holiday, so be it.

sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 13:10

Hi Gillybeanz, I have a feeling if we told them they had to cancel their holiday then we would lose a buyer, their holiday will have cost more than what they have spent on fees so far, as they are going skiing for a week.

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fromtheshires · 28/03/2018 13:11

Its shit isnt it.

If my buyers treated me like this, my house would have been back on the market and not open to their forward offers . If they want a fully insulated house with no loose bits then buy a new build...

sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 13:20

fromtheshires, yeah that was our initial feeling, that we aren't selling a new build. On the other hand, when you're 6 weeks into the purchase of your new property do you really want to refuse to do some work for the sake of £60 and a days work? So hard to judge if they are actual time wasters who are going to mess us about, or they are genuine and just nervous FTB, who have also naively booked a holiday at end of buying process thinking they would be in by now (we accepted their offer at end of Jan)?

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DairyisClosed · 28/03/2018 13:25

They are also likely getting advice from one of their fathers. Just let them come and inspect but but don't spend too much of your time worrying about this. They are being a bit ridiculous.

sparkling123 · 28/03/2018 13:35

Hi Dairy, they've now told EA that as they're going on holiday for a week and not around to see repairs before then that they're happy to exchange without inspecting. Not sure if I trust them not to change their mind about this once they're back off holiday, it seems strange to be demanding over some small details, and then suddenly not care about it. As other people have said, they could be playing a game with us. Trying not to worry too much and stay relaxed. Had booking in appointment as I'm now pregnant again (yay!) and she asked me if I'd suffered from anxiety in last few weeks...

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gillybeanz · 28/03/2018 21:25

Sorry OP, I didn't mean tell them to cancel their holiday, but put a time frame on it and if it means they had to cancel their holiday then that's not your fault.
The end of Jan means they should have completed early March, there can't be too many problems with a house only 30 years old.
I would just tell EA to continue marketing and showing people round/taking offers. You wouldn't have to accept any other offers but it might make the purchasers/father/solicitor, o stop playing silly games.

PickleFish · 28/03/2018 21:35

they could exchange even when on holiday, coudln't they? It just needs signatures which can be scanned and emailed, or couriered, at least when I was buying my flat it could (actually I was surprised at just how much was done over email - I never saw either the solicitor or the mortgage people in person, or the housing developer - just the estate agent once, and then had two lots of forms that needed real signatures/witnesses than had to be posted in). Everything else was scanned signatures.

sparkling123 · 29/03/2018 09:55

ah iswym gilybeanz. Yes and picklefish, if we can get a date on it all then hoping that them going away won't hold things up. If they did need to sign anything in person they have til the end of the day before leaving to go to their solicitors who is in town.
We didn't put an offer in on our house til late Feb, so I wonder if they held off getting mortgage / survey sorted til then, as I think their survey came back around the start of March. I guess they wanted to be sure we were definitely selling and wouldn't change our minds, so again this all points to nervous FTB.
I'll update later, had a quick chat with our solicitor just now who is going to contact their solicitor to sort out time frames and try to nail down a date for us. Feeling a little better about it, not sure how as I woke up at 3am stressing and haven't slept since.
Thanks for advice on this!

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sparkling123 · 19/04/2018 12:15

Sorry, I realised I never came back!
But we had nearly 2 weeks of backwards and forwards, in the end the buyers were happy to exchange without inspection but the solicitor sent another rude letter demanding an inspection.
They did come to inspect last weekend, and everything was fine, they were lovely. So now we think it was the solicitor all along, especially as he had failed to tell them some key information that we had let him know early on.
Our estate agent also mentioned that this solicitor has a habit of sending rude / abrupt emails so really the panic is now over and we're should be exchanging anytime soon (they are not the ones holding things up and have been really nice).

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