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sophie150 · 03/03/2018 08:36

Hi. We've had no hot water for two days and can't get anyone to come out given the weather.
We're pretty certain the cold water tank is frozen. This is because:

  • We have cold water at full pressure downstairs and in the bathroom sink, but cold water is not getting through the shower pump to the bath/ shower with reliable pressure
  • the water coming out the shower pump (flexi hose) feels slushy if you squish the pipe.
  • the tank had no insulation. We've discovered that the insulation had been screwed up on top of the lid of the tank but never wrapped round (why did we never check!)

We have put an electric radiator in the loft to heat it up. We also wrapped the tank in insulation yesterday, but then realised perhaps this was a mistake as it may just be keeping the tank cold, so we've now removed this

We're due to go on holiday tonight so are desperate to get this sorted before we go. Any thoughts as to whether we are on the right track and what else we could do gratefully received!
Thanks

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sophie150 · 03/03/2018 09:46

Ok not the cold water tank- we've managed to get in there and it's not frozen. Although the water tank level is very low. Husband has checked the ball cock and it's in a low position which I think means it's not that that is the problem?
Any ideas?

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 03/03/2018 09:51

Not a plumber but bumping.
Do you have a pressurised system?

I had to repressurise mine as no hot water was reaching the top floor of my house after bleeding the radiators a few times.

When I went too bleed the upstairs ones,no air and no water came out.

Have you checked for burst pipes etc?

Is there a plumber who could come round to you? Are the roads passable where you are?

sophie150 · 03/03/2018 09:55

Thanks! Husband is trying to re pressure now. Will try to bleed radiators also then in case of air lock.
Have called emergency plumber but they said they couldn't come as they already had plumbers or stuck on the roads- they are pretty bad round here at the moment!
Just a double whammy of bad weather and boiler problems. Although we're luckier than lots of people - at least we have heating!

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MayhemandMadness01 · 03/03/2018 09:57

Sounds like the pipe going into the hot water tank may be frozen so the tank itself isnt filling. Not a plumber though so only a guess

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 03/03/2018 10:00

Have you tried hot water bottles on all the pipes you can get to?

If there's a plumber you have a relationship with they might give advice over the phone. Mine would.

sophie150 · 03/03/2018 10:19

It's definitely a problem with the cold water tank not filling as there's only an inch or so of water in there.
But we can't trace all of the pipes going in and out so can't be totally sure nothing is frozen
Hopefully the roads will thaw a bit and we can get someone out this afternoon. We have a 24 hr place which is extortionate but they seem to come out quickly/ although heir plumbers are stuck in the snow this morning. Will try again later once roads hopefully free up
Unfortunately have never found a reliable plumber so no one I can ring!

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Springiscoming123 · 03/03/2018 18:23

how are things??

PigletJohn · 03/03/2018 18:34

you say the cold water tank in the loft is running low and the ballcock float is hanging low.

Therefore it is the cold supply pipe to the tank that is frozen.

This is quite normal. The tank is very large, probably made of plastic, so it takes low temperatures for a long time to freeze it. The pipes are much smaller, and probably made of copper, so can freeze quickly, especially if they are in a cold draught and not lagged.

First turn off the main stopcock. This will prevent water being supplied to the frozen pipe. The frozen pipe might have burst or come apart, in which case it would gush out water as soon as the ice melted.

Then inspect the pipe. Most likely it froze first in an area that is not properly lagged and is in a cold draught. The ice block will then have grown and extended inside the pipe. Around the eaves are most likely to be draughty, unless you have a hole in the wall. If an attempt has been made to lag the pipes, gaps are most likely to occur at the ends (e.g. next to the ballcock), at elbows (where it may gape) or where there is a fitting, such as a valve or a compression connector, that is too big for the lagging to enclose it.

Use a hairdryer (never a blowlamp, unless your fire insurance and life insurance are very good and you are tired of life) starting low down where the pipe enters the cold area, and working your way slowly along. This will allow any released pressure in the pipe to escape downward.

When looking for a burst, it's most likely that a joint will have been pushed apart by the expansion force. So examine all compression joints with a torch and your fingertips for any sign that they have opened up.

PigletJohn · 03/03/2018 18:37

I see you are going on holiday.

So turn off the main stopcock, and turn on all the taps (take the plugs out first) and leave them on.

This will drain away almost all the water, and prevent any more coming in, so even if you have got a burst pipe, you will not get a flood.

PigletJohn · 03/03/2018 18:39

It is not a pressurising problem, or an air lock, or a radiator bleeding problem.

sophie150 · 05/03/2018 17:30

Thanks everyone for your advice. We turned off the water in the end and went. Brother checked the house yesterday and it was fine and will periodically check in the next few days so fingers crossed!
We're definitely going to get the insulation looked at!

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