Low ceiling/cooker hood dilemma!

[Dashie]

I'm hoping that the collective knowledge and experience on Mumsnet can help solve a problem (and prove to my DH that my hours on Mumsnet are not wasted!)

We are renovating our cottage kitchen and are really wanting to have a 90cm Rangemaster cooker with gas hob. The ceiling is 203cm from the floor and the cooker is 93cm tall. This leaves a gap of 110cm for the cooker hood. The gas safety guidelines seem to vary based on the style of hood but we believe we need between 65 and 75cm between the hob and cooker hood.
We are left with between 35 and 45cm for the cooker hood, depending on the gas safety regulations for the hood. We are planning to duct it out as it is on an outside wall.

We have spent hours online, speaking to Rangemaster, in John Lewis and Currys trying to find a solution but have not found one. A few DIY websites suggest ideas but then we can't find any actual hoods to buy that follow their suggestions. Our budget is limited to £500 maximum. We are getting very worried that this is just not going to work.

This can't be the first time that someone has tried to fit a range and cooker hood into this ceiling height. If anyone can suggest a way round the problem I would be extremely grateful.

Thank you!

email Elica and ask them to post you their printed catalogue (their website is terribly gimmicky and far to difficult to use when you are browsing for a product)

You might not be able to squeeze in a built-in canopy extractor as they all seem to exhaust out of the top now, not the back, so you need an elbow.

for example Krea Lux 90
elica.com/GB-en/system/files/upload/prodotti/krea.pdf?download=1

Certainly possible at least by an experienced kitchen fitter who is willing to make it work.. Ours had a 220cm ceiling but the hood is fairly high. It's just a standard hotpoint hood with the top metal bit cut down.

Thank you both for your replies.

PigletJohn by 'built-in canopy extractor' do you mean a traditional-looking triangular shape with a chimney? That's what we were hoping to use but I don't think it will work. Certainly looking at alternatives.

katcatkat yours doesn't look too squashed at all (and I really like your tiles). We didn't realise you could cut down the chimney.

A built in canopy hood is like this one. They fit in a cupboard, usually a top box/bridging unit which are about 360mm high.

here are the dimensions of one of the canopy type, it will need an elbow on top though so may not fit. They have quite a range of these but looking on the website is awful.

elica.com/GB-en/system/files/upload/prodotti/hidden_t_2016_0.pdf?download=1

Thank you for all your help. I feel a bit more positive that we will find a solution now. We haven't had our own kitchen before, let alone started from scratch, so it all seems a bit daunting.

My sister has one completely flat, set into the ceiling. It's great. I've also heard MNers say that the bathroom type EZFLO or something are better- cheap and more effective.

Brilliant picklemepopcorn, thank you. Do you know how the air gets out? Is it recirculated or through a duct?

When I google EZFLO I come up with industrial fertiliser or acrylic nails. I'll keep on looking!

Any more suggestions would be very welcome although I'm hoping I'll find a solution in the ideas already given here.

You need 760mm between a gas hob and the underside of the extractor and /or any flammable cupboard etc that overhangs the hob, so in general you'd usually match your job width with your extractor width.
Hope that helps !

Lol ! *hob not job

it's also preferable to have it at a height that you won't bang your head on when leaning over the cooker, but you might not be able to manage that unless you find a very shallow extractor

p.s.

there are also extractors that have the motor on the outside of the house, and suck through a big pipe to a simple hood indoors. I think Elica do one, but it's too hard to search online. Ask for their glossy catalogue.

Ok, got it wrong. Xpelair was the one people talked about. Also, google recessed extractor fan and ones like my sister's pop up.

Thank you for confirming the regulation height OnePlanOnHouzz. Some individual extractor hoods state that the distance can be less but I've read many of your previous posts on here so I trust that you are right!

Fair point PigletJohn as DH and I are both quite tall.

picklemepopcorn Having looked up Xpelair I can see they are much more compact. I suppose I'd be worried that they wouldn't be powerful enough. Do you know someone who has used one or was it from posts on here? The recessed fans are very neat and I have just read they need to be on lower ceilings, so perfect. I suppose it depends if we can put one in the ceiling space we have.

If both the hob and hood instructions say less is ok and your gas safe engineer is happy to sign it off you may be able to go lower - but it's very very unusual for that to happen !

here we are

a separate motor

Observe the extraction rate in cubic metres per hour. I don't have the regulation figures, but loosely speaking, the more powerful the better, but you also want multi speeds so you can have it running quietly most of the time and only turn it up when you are frying garlic.

Look at the noise numbers in db, and compare noise and throughput to others in your shortlist.

And they also have a variety of built-in canopy models. IMO slightly wider than your hob is preferable, so catch drifting fumes. You can use two, next to each other if you have a wide range. See the "dimensions" buttons.

I'm not keen on the pull-out designs, because people get in the habit of leaving them permanently closed (or open)

If I was buying again. I'd probably want an Elibloc 9

If you went with Piglets suggestion above - check your wall cabinet depth before you order - as these don't fit into the 300mm deep ones that lots of places sell - you will need a deeper wall cabinet.

We have an Xpelair one set flush into the ceiling and it works fine. So no hood/canopy to worry about

Just thought - that read back as a bit weird - could even be interpreted as snipey - not meant that way at all !

I'm just saying check the depth as lots of suppliers use 300 depth wall cabinets, which includes door thickness in that depth .

Neptune wall cabinets are deeper - as are some German makes - but Mumsnet fav, DIY kitchens, are 300mm including door .

The expel air ones are used in professional kitchens. I don't know personally, but a thread on here discussed it favourably, which is why I looked into it.

We have something very similar to the picture posted by YorkshireTea set directly into the ceiling. We have a smaller one than that as it had to fit between the joists. We had a bit of a struggle to get someone to put it in like that, but got there in the end and the building regs guy passed it without a problem. It's ducted through the roof space to the outside. We had to get a different ducting kit, as I remember, as there wasn't much room up there.

We could have spent more on a remote controlled one, but I just use a wooden spoon to turn it on and off

This could have been written by me. 20 minutes ago I was standing in the shell of our new kitchen extension discussing hob heights/cooker hood depths etc with the builder. We have a 110 range coming in and with the 750mm min, we are left with 450mm for the hood. So the lovely matching cooker hood that we wanted won't fit. Just starting to do some research now! I'll let you know if we find anything else but thank you for starting this thread

Thanks for all the advice. We are looking into a few options to see what will work best. I'm just relieved that there is likely to be a solution!
I'll come back and post what we end up doing just in case anyone is interested. Orlando please let me know what you come up with too!