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Party wall dilemma

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partyquandry · 10/06/2017 22:39

Hoping someone might be able to advise, or at least give an opinion on a party wall matter that seems to be going awry...

We're having a rear and side extension. Build will be within 3m of next door's foundations so party wall agreement was set up and signed. Neighbours were slightly prickly over it, and also objected to our plans but permission was granted nonetheless. So relationship not great.

We are fully detached, they are fully detached. Between our two houses, we each have a garage, both level with the front of the house. They are also both free-standing structures with about 6 inches between them. The edge of their garage is the boundary. Our garage sits 6 inches inside our land. The street is also on a hill and their whole property sits just above ours.

So, in order to build, we took down our garage (very carefully, brick by brick). As it came down, it revealed that their garage wall (which couldn't have been seen due to only 6" gap) was a total mess. The mess is old and decaying, clearly has been like that for a long time. The floor of their garage is about a metre above our ground level, due to the hill. It's clear that whoever built it, did a terrible job (their garage was built after ours). It has no foundation, the floor sits on a rickety pile of paving slabs, and they covered this with vertical paving slabs, stuck in with cement to create the garage wall. One of these slabs had come away over the years and when we took the garage down (which had been holding the loose slab in place) it revealed the pile of slabs and the void under their floor. The floor of their garage was made from an old brick wall, laid on its side. I mean, it's a really shoddy job! Nevertheless, it's survived at least the 15 years we've been here.

So, we're about to dig the foundations for the side extension (which run parallel to the boundary but 1m away from it) when they come tearing out of the house saying we've damaged their wall (?!) and if our digging (which is going to be done slowly by hand, 1m at a time... dig/fill/dig/fill) makes their wall fall down we are liable and they'll take legal action.

Now, I get that we are responsible for ensuring no harm comes to their property, and for making sure it's left as it was when we started, I have no problem with that. But if they had built their garage properly in the first place, none of this would have happened. We could also get another paving slab, cement it into the gap in the wall and presto... it's just how it was!

But they are now demanding we under pin their garage. And what's more, the party wall surveyor is suggesting that this is the best course of action too. We're waiting on precise quotes but it ain't gonna be cheap! Is this reasonable? What is the point of underpinning a piece of crap building?

Our builder is convinced nothing will happen if he cracks on with our build (good bloke, we trust him). So we could just ignore them and hope for the best. But what's the worst case scenario if we do this?

If it weren't for the fact that we need to crack on with our build, I'd call the council and get a dangerous building notice slapped on it but that could take weeks to resolve.

WWYD? Any ideas to throw into the pot would be appreciated!

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wowfudge · 10/06/2017 22:43

Have you taken photos to document the condition of their garage? Have you shown these to the party wall surveyor or has he inspected himself?

partyquandry · 10/06/2017 22:58

Yes all photographed. Also had a structural engineer come to assess. He recommended the under pinning but we feel his advice was intended to make the garage as secure and permanent as possible, rather than the minimum reinforcement needed to continue with our build, IYSWIM

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Kokusai · 10/06/2017 23:04

Ugh total nightmare!

So annoying because you could have just tandem down your garage (no need for party wall) and then it wouldn't be your problem at all!

VoteMe · 10/06/2017 23:14

Are you sure you can't deal with it informally. I know it's difficult but could you get them over for a chat and try and work something out or is it too far gone?

partyquandry · 11/06/2017 08:11

They are just not very nice :(
They didn't want us to build, and they are rubbing their hands with glee that we are incurring costs at their expense.

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MrsLlaneous · 11/06/2017 08:33

What happens if you continue the build and don't underpin their garage? Is there a risk of the garage falling and damaging your house in the future?
If there's no risk then personally I don't think I would spend the money on their property, you've not got a good relationship with them anyhow, plus there is the potential you'll run into all kinds of trouble with them insisting you use certain contractors and possibly they'll not be happy with the results and then look to blame you.
I'd only pay up if it could potentially damage your home but obviously get watertight contracts written up absolving you of all future care of the garage and with no come back should the work not be upto their standards etc.

partyquandry · 11/06/2017 22:10

Thanks, and sorry for delay, yes my gut is saying to do this. Contractor is convinced their wall won't fall down. Another call with the surveyor tomorrow morning at 9... it's just so draining!

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5OBalesofHay · 11/06/2017 22:16

It's their garage and needs to be left how it is. If you damage it you have to repair it. Depends whether you think your builder or surveyor is right. Your build is not their problem.

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