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Removal of internal porch/house wall

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xandersmom2 · 10/05/2017 14:42

Afternoon All!

DH and I are house-hunting and found a house we both like, but the vendors have made an internal change that I'm not convinced shouldn't have had some sort of permission or other.

House was built in 1985, and has a brick porch sticking out the front which is original. At some point (no idea when - online estate agent can't/won't find out for us and house has been owned from new by the same people) the vendor has removed what must have been the internal porch wall - so that when you open the outside porch door, you're now straight into the main hall. There is a slight dip in the floor which shows where this wall must have been, as well as small sticking out 'stud walls' (maybe 2 inches wide) at each side.

When I've asked the estate agent they insist that 'no wall was removed, just a door'. Now, this space in what would otherwise be the external wall of the house, is at least 7 feet wide - much too wide for even double doors. So I can only assume it must have been one of those glass-wall-with-door combos, or part wall and part door, or perhaps even a UPVC wall/door combo. (This is the only house of its style in the street so we can't snoop at one of the other houses in the street, unfortunately!)

Estate agent insists that 'as no wall was removed, no planning permission was required and no building regs applied'. This just doesn't 'feel' right to me. Apart from anything else, the house is now open to an external porch which would not have been insulated - and again, estate agent - when asked about whether the porch area was insulated - just repeats 'no wall was removed therefore insulation was not a factor'.

Estate agent has stated (though of course we would want it checked) that there is a steel bar/girder in the ceiling to support where this door/wall originally was. If we bought the house i would actually just want to replace the wall - I wouldn't want my muddy small kids and dog barrelling through the front door and straight into the carpeted hallway and house! But I don't want to get partway through a purchase and then solicitors start pointing out that unauthorised changed were made to the property which drags matters out for months and leads to additional costs...

Anyone know anything about such matters?
Thanks in advance!

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displacementofwater · 10/05/2017 15:23

I had exactly this situation but with a normal size opening. Could it have been sliding patio type doors originally? That would fit with the size.

I wouldn't rely on info from the estate agent. They're only interested in achieving a sale really. A solicitor should find building regs during conveyancing if they were done (may have been needed if RSJ installed?? I'm not an expert on that I'm afraid!). Mine had no building regs but it didn't affect the progress of my purchase. We asked the vendor to pay for an indemnity insurance policy should it ever be raised as an issue.

I eventually had the door reinstated because it was freezing in the winter with all the heat rushing into the cold porch area though, so you're probably right to consider rebuilding.

johnd2 · 10/05/2017 23:03

It could be true, our surveyor wrote a big thing about the sliding patio doors and no building regs so it might not be supported properly, then it turned out when the builders were demolishing it for the extension that the 1.8m wide opening was original to the 1920s house with a poured reinforced lintel. The only change was demolishing a small tiled bay door kind of affair that was beyond that originally.
However you're right not to trust them, just it might be true!

bojorojo · 10/05/2017 23:29

We incorporated our porch into our hall and DH did calcs to remove the wall which got BRegs approval. We essentially took out the corner of the house but DH is a Structural Engineer so not a problem. We altered the external design of the porch too. There may be a lintel above this gap. A decent surveyor could check that out. Regarding heating, we have underfloor heating and it works very well. No cold areas at all.

xandersmom2 · 11/05/2017 07:06

Thanks for the feedback guys, interesting stuff!

We definitely don't 'trust' the EA - I really dislike having an online one where you can't look people in the eye when you ask them things... :-/

bojorojo - extremely jealous of your underfloor heating, how fab!

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