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Which house should I buy?

71 replies

TomHaverford · 01/04/2017 13:19

Having a tricky time deciding between houses so any thoughts are very welcome..

House 1:
Nice looking from the outside but very dated inside so needs lots of work including large rear extension.
Decent sized garden
Lovely area, very close to shops, station and good schools
Are is quite built up, lots or terraces

House 2:
Old beautiful listed farmhouse
completely refurbished and ready to move in to
good schools near by but likely a 1/2 hour school run on foot or 14 min drive
Sits on one acre block
5 mins drive to the station, 45 mins walk so not feasible
living space about 3xs the size of house 1
very rural feeling, would have to drive most places

About us:
1 DC, i need to drive to work anyway but DH would have to drive instead of public transport currently. I prefer the rural dream but DH is panicked by lack of proximity to a station. The houses are roughly the same price, 1st option works out more expensive once all the work has been done, 2nd option would need contingency set aside for listed repairs.

One feels like the sensible option, the farm house feels like the home of my heart......

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CycleHire · 02/04/2017 16:47

House 1 for me. I don't like having to get in the car for every little thing. But then it's not me, is it.

Actually I think if you're dithering between the two of them maybe you need to keep on looking.

MissDuke · 02/04/2017 16:49

I also think neither. I think you need a compromise somewhere in between the two locations! Good luck Shamrock

GaryGilmoresEyes · 02/04/2017 16:53

We live on a farm 11 miles from town. I don't drive. I get by on the hourly bus. Himself is a city boy and wasn't keen on moving rural but he wouldnt swop it ever.
Everyone is different though and likes different things.

SquinkiesRule · 02/04/2017 19:32

I'd go for 2. Only because we lived in a rural location when raising our older kids and now with last one in high school are in a situation like house 1 and can't wait to sell and move again More remote the better for us.

TomHaverford · 02/04/2017 20:21

I'm not sure we will find another property like the two we are looking at in our price range as my older sister lives with us and has some disabilities so we need some where with lots of downstairs space which seems hard to come by in this area.

happy you are right that it's not too rural- its just inside the limits of the M25 but I have lived in fairly central London all my life so it seems like it is.

I'm feeling a bit better about house 1 and do feel that we would be happy in either. I'm just trying to perch on the fence for so long that I will just fall off on one side.

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BreezyThursday · 02/04/2017 20:41

I grew up in the country with no facilities and - although I still love countryside - everything relied on getting into a car which I can't believe didn't drive my parents mad. As a kid it was no bother - happy to play outside with friends and got lifts as a teenager, but now I've lived in a town (and not even a big town) I couldn't move back and wouldn't want it for my kids.
Also, had to give up my license temporarily and that makes you realise just how frustrating things can be if you can't drive and so glad we move to somewhere with transport links.

Pansiesandredrosesandmarigolds · 02/04/2017 20:42

One. Definitely.

dairymilkmonster · 02/04/2017 20:54

We went through this - chose house 1 equivalent for the convinience. I don't regret it for a moment. We are so busy and added longer jouneys (and later on having to drive kids everywhere) would be an added nightmare. There will be olenty of time later on to move again if you want to. You never know what will happen in life so I don't really believe in he forever home idea.

PunjanaTea · 02/04/2017 21:01

Personally I couldn't live further than walking distance from a pint of milk, so I'd go for house 1. I like living in places that have things going on and where I can pop out to get suppliers. I do however live in a small city so open space is easy to come by.

namechangedtoday15 · 02/04/2017 21:19

How is school a 14 minute drive but only a half hour walk? Do you know how slow tweens / teens walk Wink ?? My Year 7s walk to school / back again, its about 1.5miles and takes them about half an hour. Its about 4 mins in the car. I think you might be a tad optimistic!!

There is no way - at this stage - I'd want to live rurally. Yes later in life when DC are more independent / can drive but not now.

I would also hate to live next to a building site and until building starts, do you know the permission won't be changed to more houses / flats / access in front of your house etc.

House 1 every day of the week!

ivykaty44 · 02/04/2017 21:21

House 1

As soon as i saw listed for house2 it went down the pan, added to the endless driving everywhere

Apachepony · 02/04/2017 21:28

I grew up in the rural idyll. Definitely definitely house no 1 for me.

TomHaverford · 02/04/2017 21:30

Namechange there is no direct route by road there so you have to go around a bit out the way, whereas there is a path that leads from the back of the property to the school.

Ok am now seriously considering option 1 again, i'm just finding it hard to give up 3x the space. We went to see both again today and they are both lovely. We will hear tomorrow if our proposed offer (not official offer) is in the right ballpark for the vendor which may settle it once and for all.

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namechangedtoday15 · 02/04/2017 21:54

OK, I thought maybe you were judging walking time based in adult walking and not tween dawdling Smile.

Both sound lovely !

user1491166506 · 02/04/2017 22:06

Personally, I would try to find something thats sits in between. Something spacious and great with potential and room for improvement at a reasonable location with local amenities. There are a few to be found, good luck hun.

pinkdelight · 03/04/2017 07:53

House 1 no contest. Sure House 2 has 3 x the size but there's a reason why you get 3 x less for the same price - because the pro's are worth it. Unless you've lived in that kind of rural property e.g. grown up in one, it's a huge leap to go from city living to everything being a drive away. Even the idyllic aspects for a young DC are outweighed for me by the isolation of parenting young DC and the ability to nip out to shops, cafes, a park with them, and that will increase as they get older and want to do more. The hourly bus from the village is fine when you're tired of life, but when you want a life, especially as a teen, it's purgatorial. House 1 just needs some work doing to it and then it'll have everything you need. Also, what does your sister need from a house, you haven't said? Is she okay with being more isolated? When we looked at options like House 2 when the DC were little, it didn't take long for even the distance to a hospital to put me off. And my friend who did make the move has had several hellish episodes with her DC's late night asthma attacks, driving over an hour for help. Not to be a downer, but these are all things to consider. If you were already at least semi-rural, House 2 would be more tenable. But from what you've said, it really does sound like a dream.

Is that a typo about the station being a 5min drive but a 45min walk?

TomHaverford · 03/04/2017 09:22

TomHaverford's DH here:

Thanks everyone for the replies. A little input from me:

I think the initial assessment of the houses was incomplete so-

House 1 agree with everything above but in addition:

  1. TomH would get a new job locally as she is able to transfer around like that. Her commute to work would probably be around 15 minutes driving, but as she already drives both to and from work and for work, this is really no different to our current situation. She works PT so ideally being able to move to 2 12-hour shifts rather than 3 8-hour days would be a good move as well.
  2. My current commute is 1 hour door to door. From house 1 it would still be commutable (no cost of additional car) and I get free transport on the tube/overground so no cost either, and the time would be about 1 hour and 10 minutes. So in reality it would be no different to my current commute
  3. Close to good schools doesn't do it justice - we would have a 5 minute walk as the school run.
  4. Having my SIL live with us is the reason that House 1 would require such extensive works - in order to give her some privacy and some independence we would try and create a ground floor apartment with her own ensuite and bedroom and living room, sharing the kitchen. House 1 is currently setup for this to be achieved relatively easily. She is not particularly mobile so while she can get up and down stairs slowly it would be preferable if she didn't have to. It would also mean we could have some privacy by having our own space too.
  5. House 1 is approximately 50k less than House 2, however the cost of works would negate this.
  6. House 1 is large, but not so massive that it would be a huge difference in terms of the maintenance required as what I have to do now. I would be doing more, but it's not an 'every weekend' sort of thing.
  7. House 1 the vendors do not want to move straight away - we would probably be looking at least a 6 month wait before we could complete.

As for House 2:

  1. TomH would probably work in the same place as she would for House 1 but her commute would be increased by about 5 minutes, so not massively different for her.
  2. My commute would be about an hour and 45 minutes. As I routinely have shifts that start at 7am this would mean I would have to begin my commute around 5am. Moreover, the nearest station that I get free travel from is 2.5 miles (thus the 45 minute walk, but on A-roads, a 5 minute drive), where as the nearest station is about 1.5 miles. Not massively unsustainable, but a 30 minute walk at 5am is not welcome. It also means the cost of a N/R ticket which runs to several thousands/year. In effect this is not really a viable commute - if I got a car I could drive to work and it would take about 50 minutes, especially as I work shifts I would be driving outside high-traffic times. However this is an additional £300/month once you factor in fuel/ insurance/ maintenance/depreciation.
  3. There will be a LOT more house maintenance involved (i'd need a ride-on-mower to start).
  4. Living space for SIL is a bit tricky - there would be much more space for her, however there would not be stair-less space for her. She would have some small flights of stairs (around 4 or 5 steps) for her to have her own space. This would, however, be massively more than she would get in House 1, just a little less accessible. It isn't suitable to reconfigure so if it became desperate we'd probably have to build her an annex in the 1-acre block.
  5. House 2 is grade II listed with all that that entails - which means no double glazing, no insulation etc. We would probably be looking at approximately £300/month for gas/electricity to keep a house like that warm. House 1 by comparison is a normal modern house that we can insulate so we're talking a more normal £120-150/month.

My conclusions are that House 1 is the sensible move. For things like the school run, and convenience, it's far superior. Moreover, That said, there's a lot that needs doing, it would take at least 6 months of construction to be ready. Which means with the 6 months to wait for completion, we wouldn't be moving until this time next year. It's a large house, and we would like to have more DC so they would mostly have their own rooms, or at least would be sharing but in rooms the size of our current master bedroom, so plenty of space.

House 2 is beautiful. Really, just stunningly beautiful. You look out the back window and the 225' yard backs on to green belt land. There is space there that is really unparalleled by anything I have lived in. I grew up in Australia and lived most of my early life on a 1/4 acre block and that was great, but this is just amazing. The house is beautiful, centuries old with the 'newest' section being added nearly 2 centuries ago. The whole House has been completely redone; repointed, re plumbed, re wired, re plastered, re carpeted, everything. It's in as good a condition as a house like this can possibly be. It allows for more of a rural life; TomH is excited to have a vegetable patch that could actually sustain our family, she also wants alpacas (although i'm not convinced by that).

We can also move in to House 2 immediately - this means getting out of our current house which isn't a bad house but is too small, especially with SIL living with us. Also, all bedrooms being up stairs is a problem for her, and only 1 bathroom. I forgot to mention that House 2 has 5 bathrooms, 3 of which are ensuites. House 1 also currently has 2 bathrooms, and would become 3 by the time we've finished the downstairs works.

House 2 is certainly going to cost more on a monthly basis - approximately £500/month extra once the additional car, listed buildings insurance, heating, etc. are all included. Although that's probably a bit high, as once we have more children we'd need a second car anyway, so call it an additional £200/month. What can I say - I want House 2 but I am worried about things like shops being a drive (TomH is a big one for running to the shops each day), and the school run being a drive. If I'm starting work on a late shift then it's not an issue, but if I've left for work at 6am, then it puts all the pressure of early morning school runs on TomH. This is some time away, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be considered. All of this potentially adds up to more pressure and we are both very much laid-back and prefer things to be as low pressure as possible.

Anyway, that's my mega-post and hopefully if you want to give feedback gives you the other half of the story (i am NOT panicking about living rurally! I just want to make sure the cons are appropriately considered!)

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EllaHen · 03/04/2017 12:02

Excellent post TomH's dh. I said House 1 way back when as I thought it ticked all boxes. I stand by my decision. Or rather, my view on your decision.

dotdotdotmustdash · 03/04/2017 12:07

You've both done a lot of thinking and I think you both know that house 1 is a better fit for your lives, even if it's not the 'dream' house.

I live in a tiny, semi-rural village, but we're still only 2 miles from a 24hr Supermarket. If I was really rural I would have moved a long time ago as busy lives need convenience more than pretty views.

PossumInAPearTree · 03/04/2017 12:09

A nearly two hour commute is no good. So house one.

UntilTheCowsComeHome · 03/04/2017 12:13

I totally understand why you're torn.

House 1 sounds ideal, but from the way house 2 and the surrounding area has been described I've fallen in love with it!

irregularegular · 03/04/2017 12:24

The commute for house 2 sounds too long to me.

I love a beautiful old house and large garden, I really do. But I also think that in the end the ease of every day life is more important. Commuting time and the ability of older children to be a bit independent seem to be the most important issues here. Or they would be to me.

TomHaverford · 03/04/2017 12:42

We are both heartbrokenly starting to agree that House 1 is the better option. Nary room for an alpaca in sight. Not that House 1 isn't lovely. It is, it's just not the farmhouse.

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EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 03/04/2017 13:58

My heart would go with House 2 too and I'd be concerned about House 1 vendors finding somewhere to move to and the time involved to do the remodelling. I know someone who strung buyers along for nearly a year before dropping out as they couldn't find anywhere else to suit them Confused

For House 2 you'd have to be willing to do the 50 minute work drive each way though and not underestimate how you'd feel about that. My DH did it for years, but he never minded as he loves living in the country. We live very rurally and make sure the larder is well stocked, always have some spare long life milk in and a breadmaker available.

You'd also have to fully realize the impact of the new build around you, in terms of mess, noise and inconvenience as well as the finished result.

I'd recommend going over all the practicalities and finances again with a fine toothcomb, maybe make a spreadsheet and give all the important points an out of 10 rating, see which house wins on that.
And SIL as well, what has she to say about it all?

CountMagnus · 03/04/2017 15:18

Have you seen the plans for the new builds? Would they attract people with young families that would be company for your own child(ren)?

Would cycling to the station for House 2 be an option?

Whilst House 1 is the sensible option and House 2 is the heart option, if you played it safe with House 1 would you always be thinking What If about House 2?